here are a few facts that i have recently discovered by doing some research.. the watchtower society uses the date of 539 b.c.e as the date that cyrus took over babylon.
they use the term "absolute date" to define this as an unquestionable point in time.
to do this they had to ignore 586 b.c.e which is the real date for the destruction of jerusalem.. therefore, if jerusalem never lay desolate for 70 years, when does this desolation and fulfillment of this prophecy take place?
stillajwexelder,
Thanks for the info. I am not entirely pleased with you though......
You have just confirmed to me that my family has 30 more years, WRITTEN DOWN BY GOD HIMSELF, that they should keep shunning me and my kids...... AAARRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!
Brad
P.S. I am not really mad at you.... you are only the messenger....
i attended the meeting today, hoping for some encouraging words.
i arrived while the prayer was in progress, i waited, then found my way to a familiy i enjoy and sat with them.
the speaker was visiting from another congregation.
You know what gets me about that organization? They falsely accuse others of being EXACTLY how they prove that they are.
I have seen the exact same parallel with my ex-wife and her JW family. Just like this elder, they stood up in court and said things completely different from what I had evidence of. Then, without batting an eye, they carried on in the exact same way as they always have.
It seems delusional to me. Are they not even capable of seeing the reality?
Brad
here are a few facts that i have recently discovered by doing some research.. the watchtower society uses the date of 539 b.c.e as the date that cyrus took over babylon.
they use the term "absolute date" to define this as an unquestionable point in time.
to do this they had to ignore 586 b.c.e which is the real date for the destruction of jerusalem.. therefore, if jerusalem never lay desolate for 70 years, when does this desolation and fulfillment of this prophecy take place?
stillajwexelder,
What is the significance of 2034? I have heard that date before but I can't recall the "logic" behind it's importance.
scholar,
You keep arguing the 607 date. IMO, no one can absolutely prove or disprove and even if they could a new theory would be thrown in as to was "jerusalem not symbolically destroyed in 607 after all?
The questions I have tried to ask you and points that I have tried to make go beyond that. The year 607 is only important in the sense that it leads to 1914, in current JW chronology. Why the fixation on 1914? And could you give me your own personal thoughts as well? I have given you my viewpoint on why 1914 is so important to JW's. I am respectfully asking you to respond or to give me a reason why you choose to not do so?
Brad
was just out at church and came home picked up my bible and read some thing.
it really jumped out at me so i thought i would share it ... it never made sense to me before it was always very confusing.
if it confuses you wait for the explination because i feel it may let you see what i saw in it.
(My head is spinning) lol
IF Jesus existed and his writings and writings of people that followed him are accurate, is it not possible that he meant he was God in the sense that we are all God?
Before people accuse me of not being humble, was his ENTIRE story/life not meant to help humans realize that we are all connected by the same sort of spirit, so be nice to your neighbour because your neighbour is a part of your spirit, just as the rest of the beings in the universe are?
Of course I am not a scholar, though, so I may have no freakin' idea what I am talking about.
Brad
it makes you wonder when exactly the governing body and their lawyers decided to change the "generation of 1914" doctrine.
the first quotation below is from the 1992 wt and the second one from the 1993 brochure the purpose of life, just two lousy years before they imfamously dropped the whole idea:
*** w92 5/1 p. 7 the 1914 generation?why significant?
Gumby,
I can imagine how that must have raised some freakin' eyebrows. I think I was too young to notice that one.
To be honest the baptismal questions I swear that the brother was asking me at my baptism talk were:
1) Do you realize that your siblings and friends have all gotten baptised by your age?
2) Have you come to the realization that you will not be respected within the organization, your parents and peers (your whole world) until you also get into that pool and do it yourself?
I may not have heard the questions properly but my answer was as resounding a "YES!!!" as any who may have heard differently than me.
Brad
was it not jehovah?s promise to never kill humans again by means of massive floods?
i guess knocking on 100,000 deaths is just a minor slip-up.
knowing the response of jw's to the horrible situation in asia and their reasoning of it, makes me feel indescribably sick in the stomach!
Schizm,
Second: WW1 could NOT have fulfilled Jesus' prophecy, because it didn't produce the right result. The international war that Jesus spoke of has to result in the death of the wild beast (death-stroke). WW1 didn't cause such a death-stroke, simple as that!
What death-stroke is it that you are talking about? Do you care to be more specific about that?
Edited to Add: I did ask you earlier, Schizm, if you only selectively take certain teachings of the WTBTS. You did not respond. I am going to assume that you still agree with the basics, though. Can you let me know which ones you disagree with and what your new thoughts on them are?
Brad
the awesome power of god
if you are willing to put faith in jah, the only true god, then i am willing to share my experiences with you.
jehovah is able to humble any man, no matter how strong or powerful he thinks he is..........in a microsecond.
Was Russell as nutty as BrownBoy is?
God's name has many meanings:
YHWH = He causes to become
Y chromosome is corrupted
The power to correct this corruption belongs to God
Y belongs to HWH which could also mean "ALA"
ALA is the first three letters of Alamo, or tree (The tree of life belongs to God)
Alamosa was my birthplace, a witness of Jehovah, and a witness to all
A Witness of Jehovah, and of ALA.........Amen.........Selah
This just too funny. This delusional logic, (in his own mind only), proves that the next prophet had to come from Alamosa. Holy crap!!!
Carry on BrownBoy, you get funnier with each post. LMAO
Brad
i have tried to put on a brave face lately but i think i need to release some tears and emotion.
(ok, it's starting already... .
(i have made posts lately as formerout but i am now back on as outbutnotdown, as i had been for a year and a half earlier...password lost.
Thanks to all who have replied, that I have not yet thanked....lisavegas420, Golf, Big Tex, Little Toe, seeitallclearlynow, Special K, Jez, Aude_Sapere (again).
Jez,
Thanks for your concern. I wanted to answer the one big question you had. We do have joint custody, with primary residence being with her. This was "agreed to" in a settlement conference in June. I likely could have gotten shared residence even then. Part of the reason I didn't is because my oldest son had/has been told by my ex/her mother that I will take him away from them forever. When the Office of the Children's Lawyer's clinical investigator interviewed him he mentioned this fear (of course not saying that it was mommy/her mom) and said that he felt his time with me would be more comfortable when he knew he was going to "live with mommy".
I felt that it was the best thing to do at the time. Now I feel differently. I thought it would give stability to him and the rest of the kids. The opposite has happened. He hasn't come overnight since June and has hardly come other nights either. (They are supposed to be with me every second weekend and Tues/Wed evenings.) She hasn't let them call me a single time either, not even on their birthdays... and she celebrates b-days with them... it's her mom that is the JW.
I do keep them sheltered from the conflict when they are with me. She obviously doesn't.
I almost don't want to mention this part but I have visions of Susan Smith and what she did to her kids. She was viewed by most as being a doting (sp?) mother, when in fact some of the injuries that required trips to the hospital with her children were inficted by her to create that appearance. My ex/her mother somehow managed to allow my four-year old to get second-degree burns from a sunburn and waited for a full day to take her to the hospital so that they could say that she was burned while with me.
What they have done regarding hiring someone to beat me up or worse is almost surreal. The guy has connections to a bike gang but I had met him through a friend, so he asked me my side first. He returned to them saying nothing was going to happen to me. We've stayed in contact to the point that he has informed her family that nothing better happen to me or else. He has tried to encourage them to quit using all their negative energy against me and use it for positive influence on our kids.
People that need to be threatened by their own "hit-man" to not taking any other action are capable of anything, IMO.
But despite all this, I have always fully supported her time with the kids. Hopefully my kids don't know about the thug thing.
As far as her not having a right to block access, Jez, you are absolutely right. But each time I have taken legal action to prevent their latest tactics, they have resorted to other means. I don't like to think about negative things before they happen, but what is next? I pray that the Judge puts in place safety nets for me and the kids. It's odd how some people's minds work. They break the law or, in a family law situation, they cheat the innocent parties out of time together enough that the Judge punishes them. Then instead of accepting that they have done wrong, they find new ways to do even more.
Thanks again for your concern.
Brad
here are a few facts that i have recently discovered by doing some research.. the watchtower society uses the date of 539 b.c.e as the date that cyrus took over babylon.
they use the term "absolute date" to define this as an unquestionable point in time.
to do this they had to ignore 586 b.c.e which is the real date for the destruction of jerusalem.. therefore, if jerusalem never lay desolate for 70 years, when does this desolation and fulfillment of this prophecy take place?
Scholar,
Your last post seems to suggest that the WTBTS and other scholars have a different opinion on 607. Since neither can be proven to be 100% correct, the WTBTS is sticking with 607.
They used to believe that the universe was created in 42,000 years as well. They held fast to that belief until the rest of the world and even their own followers began to realize that it was silly to believe such a thing. Isn't the 607 thing potentially just the same thing?
I think what people are saying to you is that 607 can't be changed because it would ruin their 1914 date. Before the 2520 year interpretation, the 1914 date was originally arrived at with the Great Pyramid calculation. Most importantly, 1914 makes sense to JW's because of course when Satan was thrown out of Heaven, at Christ's enthronement, the world was thrown into chaos.
The importance of the 607 date pales in comparison to the BIGGER reason that the JW's stick to 1914, IMO.
Brad
wow, i am totally impressed with this company.
what a great, great idea.
this is from my morning newspaper.
Very cool. Water is far more important than beer right now for them. Hopefully all can get sorted out quickly over there so beer can again become as important as water.
Brad
