wow!!!.
i've never heard of that specifically.
although when i was df'd and my wife was reinstated, there was a "brother" who kept asking her out on a date and the elders refused to even speak to him about it.. i know it may be upsetting you, but if you want my advice....
Wow!!!
I've never heard of that specifically. Although when I was df'd and my wife was reinstated, there was a "brother" who kept asking her out on a date and the elders refused to even speak to him about it.
I know it may be upsetting you, but if you want my advice.... RUN!!!! RUN NOW!!!! AND DON'T LOOK BACK!!
Brad
"god is just an imaginary friend for adults.
" - morgan freeman, the big bounce
"Sometimes you gotta say, 'What the f*ck.'"
Booger, from Revenge of the Nerds. Incredibly wise words from a silly, but fun movie.
Brad
as you posters know my mom has been a "devout" jw for over 40 years and just won't bend when it comes to the faults of the wts.
i have talked until i was blue in the face for over 10 years since da'd myself in 1993 but just can't crack my mom.
well she made another ridiculous comment to me the other day in her attempts to get me "reinstated" back as a jw.
I think the nature of the organization has had some effect on the way he turned out. I think, essentially, Michael Jackson felt that the organization robbed him of his youth. i think he was forced to lead a very isolated life when he was a kid and I think he was haunted by a lot of demons from his family, etc... a lot of things that happened when he was a JW. From living such a sheltered life to suddenly making millions of dollars in the recording industry, I think such a life-style change was something he couldn't handle.- Preston
I agree. And like Sunspot said, his dad was an abusive prick. The two combined made him into an odd fellow. However, I am not condemnig him to being guilty yet either.
He never seems to have matured out of his youth himself, so it's not completely impossible for him to consider the kids "sleep-overs" to be anything other than innocent.
Having said that, you would think that friends or advisors would have let him know that he should not leave himself open to these accusations. With that much money, you know there will be some who will take advantage of him.
As far as what JW's think, like Alana said, they'll find anyway to condemn those that leave, whether good or bad things happen to them after they leave. So, in my not so humble opinion, who gives a rat's ass what the JW's think about it? If they had any ability to be objective about it, they would deserve consideration.
Brad
this might seem like a funny question to ask but my mom told me that "apostates" are addicted to jw-bashing and cannot let it go and have a life.
i asked her what she meant by this statement and she told me that all ex-jw's talk about is the wts and jw's and negative things about the jw's.
she said that we get up thinking about jw-bashing and go to sleep thinking about jw-bashing just like a drug addict.
Brad
does anyone know of a forum i can go to to get lots of support?
cheeko's death has hit me pretty hard.
i'm looking for a forum for ones who have lost close pets.
I am sorry to hear about your pain, FF. Although it hurts, it must show your character, to care so deeply.
Brad
this might seem like a funny question to ask but my mom told me that "apostates" are addicted to jw-bashing and cannot let it go and have a life.
i asked her what she meant by this statement and she told me that all ex-jw's talk about is the wts and jw's and negative things about the jw's.
she said that we get up thinking about jw-bashing and go to sleep thinking about jw-bashing just like a drug addict.
One,
I was trying to go about saying this in a positive way, indirect way, but you are proving, with your replies, that giving up "bashing" is not so easy as you say. I will make it a little more clear.
You are incessantly BASHING most of the people here, who in most people's opinion are simply expressing their feelings towards an organization that has had a VERY negative effect on them!
If you want to begin to express yourself in a more positive way, such as giving PRACTICAL advice to those who could use it, or showing some COMFORT before you bash, you might get a more open ear.
I, for one, don't really like your broad brushstrokes.
Brad
i just had an interesting experience today.
i ran into an old ex-friend that had just been released from prison.
he was sentenced for selling pot to the highschool girls he coached for soccer and for sleeping with underage girls.
It is what you are now, a Christian? This is what matters to God not what a person used to be.
Fairmind,
You are missing the bigger picture here. Perhaps the guy is repentant, recognizes the error of his ways and will never do such a thing again. IF this is true, good for him, and I personally would shake his hand in congratulations on not being a piece of sh*t anymore.
However, neither you, nor I will ever truly know that for sure. For heatherg's JW parents to give this guy absolution, while at the same time condemning her to a life of "never being forgiven" unless it's in THEIR opinion, based on JW rules, is hypocritical beyond belief.
It goes COMPLETELY against TRUE Christianity (or any other positive belief system out there.) You and Tigerman would do well to understand the whole story, rather than to try to suggest that one side (showing forgiveness) is correct.
Shame on you.
Brad
this might seem like a funny question to ask but my mom told me that "apostates" are addicted to jw-bashing and cannot let it go and have a life.
i asked her what she meant by this statement and she told me that all ex-jw's talk about is the wts and jw's and negative things about the jw's.
she said that we get up thinking about jw-bashing and go to sleep thinking about jw-bashing just like a drug addict.
One,
I met a guy a few years ago who said that if he could "push a button and destroy every single Jehovah's Witness", he would. (I asked him to leave my house and come back only after he changes his viewpoint.) So, yeah, what you are saying has some credence to it. However people that go to that extreme are few and far between.
This guy was still the guy who showed me the UN scandal, the Malawi/Mexico double standard, etc. He was not all bad, although I do think he should get help with his anger/hatred. Personally, I think I was wise enough to see the facts that he presented, but also objective enough to know that his attitude was a little skewed.
I would suggest that almost all people here are of the same abilities to see the big picture as I am.
You mention about how "bashing" is a negative action. Perhaps you should begin to look at it from a more positive angle yourself. Why not encourage people to get their justified anger out in as neutral way as possible and also encourage them to build on creating a new, happier self.
IMO, most are already doing that, but a little encouragement never hurts.
Brad
this is dave, stealing one of gina's topics.. please send your positive thoughts to gina, one of her birds died today.
she has several birds, a yellow-nape amazon (big parrot), an african gray (snuggle bird), a starling (saved as a fledgling), two cockatiels (think largish yellow parakeets), and two doves.
cheeko was a green-cheek amazon, a smallish parrot.
Sorry to hear about your loss, Gina. I find pet lovers are always beautiful people. Thinking of you.
Brad
this might seem like a funny question to ask but my mom told me that "apostates" are addicted to jw-bashing and cannot let it go and have a life.
i asked her what she meant by this statement and she told me that all ex-jw's talk about is the wts and jw's and negative things about the jw's.
she said that we get up thinking about jw-bashing and go to sleep thinking about jw-bashing just like a drug addict.
if we really think we found freedom them why so much negativity which is only going to hurt us in the long run.you can still talk about the jw but in a "upbuilding" manner, in a way to get some value out of it.
One,
Your logic is simplistic and narrow-minded. No offense, just thought I would be as direct as you for emphasis.
Sometimes we do the same thing two different ways and realize that one way is better than the other. To beat ourselves up over making the determination that one way was "bad" is not positive.
It is kind of ironic that you seem to think that you are helping people here by telling them to not be so negative. Isn't that condemnation of us in itself a little negative?!?!
Brad
