Posts by Ocean1111

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My Story,...again I guess

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

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i previously posted under howthebiblewasinvented however since then my comouter died and all info lost..thus the new name and new intro.

btw my post are always pg rated.. first i am a born in, baptized at 16 but could never kick the masterbation habit lol.

i felt jehovah would either 1: kill me at armagedden or 2: forgive me.. for the later hope i lived and after my father died i continued.

I have found there are as many versions of Bible critics critics as there are Bible critics. So time to research James Kugel's claims and find out where they came from, and the various alternetive rationale to the rationale he proposes. Before you know it all reality is called into question, because there is always and alternative to the alternative to the alternative of the alternative of the standard alternative of the standard.

Buying one man's opinion from the "secular" "gods" is as bad as buying the governing body's apostasy as of "divine origin". It really takes more research to find out the difference between the pan and the fire. If only it was so easy. Time for more research in my opnion. I found this out in college, the "gods" there were actually idiots acting like gods, everything I learned other than the law of gravity, has now been superceded. And since I have not checked the gravity debate, I could still be in the fire in that category.

Question everything, then question the answer, then question the answer to the question's answer and so on. When the Bible says "many decievers have gone forth into the world", that is certainly the truth. But even more people are out there just making many mistakes, not purposeul deception, and that number surpasses the number of purposeful decievers, imo, so you have to deal with the general ignorance of the majority. These are people who generally aid the ignorance by not researching and not questioning things as the first lie that fits right is the one they keep from point A to point Z (the grave). Research certainly cannot hurt in my opinion.

How lucky could you be that James Kugel is your Savior and you just happened upon him in the first try? Try door number three.

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My Elderette is returning today to CONDUCT another conversation...

by Faithful Witness in

she has had 42 years of training and indoctrination.

i'm feeling sort of nervous, but also looking forward to it.

this will be our second scheduled session together, and we never did agree on a topic.. i'm assuming she will come with an agenda and another prepared presentation.

Ocean1111

If you want to keep the dialogue open state everything as questions. If they say where did you get this or that information, just say "it's in the book of Daniel, unless he was liying". Since none of them know Daniel or any classic JW Daniel "rules", they will not be able to respond, and will have no time to go and actually study their own current mythology. The standard response, rather than "I don't know", is "wait on Jehovah" which is really "wait on the Bethel GB mafia".

A question I wish I could aks a JW, but they never come by, is "how is the Governing Body NOT "lifting themselves over everyone"???" - what is common sense? What is the truth? WHo on earth have they not ascended over? Who in heaven have they replaced as the JW collective mediator? Could it be???? CHRIST???

As stated it is worse to be blnd while they say they are saying they are seeing. It is all a classic, unbelievable those "opening eyes" are about the blindest bats flapping around the place. But it is due to the blind leading the blind syndrome, the Bethel elites plainly SEE 4 or 5 billion in assets. I mean they just liquidated 1 billion in property assets in 4 years globally, maybe more, and JWs think that is normal. And JWs are so blind Bethel also now, in addition to that billion, also squeeze more blood money from the JW turnips and congregations like Bethel is going broke. Behind the scenes if this much can be gleaned from public records, they are LIQUIDATING the place, I bet in other investment another 2 billion is now "at the doors", as good as gone.

It puzzles me how people cannot see what is coming on Bethel, from within Bethel. It seems society in general is gullible, and JWs are literally zombies who should have been made wise enough to see it on the spot due to "discernment". But alas, JWs are blinder than the worl in general. Really in many ways this is surreal. In hindsight many JWs will say "geeeez, how could we not see this coming????".

The how is called BLINDNESS and connditioned gullibility. They trusted the central authority was actually from God, but they were actually from the world, they are the "wolves" they Bible speaks about, their sheepskin is perfect. The central authority at Bethel, as in the previous cases of such downfall, is the guiltiest party, they have to know what is going on for it to have reached this magnitude, especially the liquidation, it is beyond mere coincidence. They are masters of engineering blindness in the form of flase perceptions, expctations and purely human invented "divine authority". It's a case of fully falling asleep on The Watchtower.

But enough of my rant, lol

I have nothing aganist JW r/f, so I am being critical of their modern GB "Sanhedrin" and their "Synagogue" of money lovers, not so much the duped ones. I am just a little puzzled how JWs do not detect the bad moon rising and the many red flags. I guess faith in org, or faith in God and Christ is setting up to be the litmus test in what is coming upon JWs unable to let go of the org, and grab hold of Christ, God and the Bible. The "exchanged the truth for the lie" is very true in this Bethel play, it's now a shell game with no truth pea.

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My Elderette is returning today to CONDUCT another conversation...

by Faithful Witness in

she has had 42 years of training and indoctrination.

i'm feeling sort of nervous, but also looking forward to it.

this will be our second scheduled session together, and we never did agree on a topic.. i'm assuming she will come with an agenda and another prepared presentation.

Ocean1111

If "the light keeps getting brighter" it can also start growing darker. A question I had was how come there hasn't been any "light" whatsoever other than controversial minutia?

And if I can find one JW who can explain Daniel 8:11-14, I will give them 1000 dollars.

The trick with the Bethel racket is to pervert the meaning of the Word in new directions, and one of those is to introduce scandal and doubt. I have noticed over the years a large sector of "opposition" is no longer about theology, but Bethel's actual criminal record. People discuss their unaccounted rap sheet of sandal, org idolatries and hypocrisy by policy more than the old school Bible debates.

It just shows the trend since people actually started to read Ray Franz' COC was problems with the racket being detected, exposed and understood to be contrary to basic ethics not to mention the Bible. Shoot, they were disloyal to their own "godfather" (Rutheford/Knorr) at Bethel, not even mafia, hell's anegls and juggalos have such basic disrespect for their own family, the basic "code of honor" is pure bs at Bethel, even to loyalty among themselves but only to their own name and position, that is what the "Governing Body" is, about ITSELF and it's own fame, glory and riches NOW.

They epitomize all the worst element of the principle of "lifting themselves over everyone" in brazen almost comical and surreal fashion, now they alone are the billionaire self-appointed and self approved "faithful and discreet slave", they even disrespect their claimant "anointed" family. What they are is the latest harlots, apostasy and lawless ones, nothing more, nothing less. Even their publications are laced with elitist terminology and plugged publications.

I guess it is a case of hidden in plain sight and the lie is just too big to see or accept. So you may have to stick with your basic reasoning, this thing developed too gradually, even older JWs were in like elementary school when the dictators seized the corporation way back in 1976. So the "GB" has been the backdrop JWs are conditioned to accept just like the Pope, but in a collective "body", a neo-Vatican Bethel neo-papacy. In effect Jehovah's witnesses have all the general "Christendom" features of hierarchy, coercion, "divine council", org idol, scandal and the wrap sheet that goes with it.

I guess it will just have to go down in some bigger fashio before JWs are awoken by the icy waters.

I guess if JWs think they have the truth, then they should know it is the truth God judges hypocrites in His own house. JWs should understand that much truth we may assume.

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help from the savants regarding the gentile times

by never a jw in

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i find it interesting that the wt is boasting about the 100 year anniversary of the kingdom in 2014, but i have never seen an explanation on how they calculate it.

i know how to get to 1914 using the bible (ezekiel, revelation, daniel, jeremiah).

in fact, i know all the messy stuff behind it, such as 606 bce, 537 bce, mishandling of no-zero year in the calendar, 536 bce instead of 539 bce, etc.. what i am wondering is when was the last time the wt wrote an article in the wt magazine to explain in the weekly meeting how to calculate 1914. if this year is so important, one would expect an explanation in a regular basis, but i have not seen it yet.

Ocean1111

Actually having understood the basic rules of the JW theology, I find it amazing modern Jehovah's witnesses themselves cannot explain their own core prophetic interpretations. Ask any elder on earth to explain Daniel 8:14 or Zechariah 3 and you will get a "I gotta go look that up". JWs cannot explain Daniel 12, or Revelation 8-11 even to themselves.

This was not always the case by the way. So to have such a dumbed down version of a JW 2.0 today, required just as much design and effort as producing a 1955 version Jehovah's Witnesses 1.0. And that means the Bethel vaudeville is just a kabuki, an act, a play, and engineered self fulfilling prophecy that will allow Jehovah's witnesses to witness and accept a 4 billion dollar global liquidation, for the global bankers, and accept it all as "prophecy fulfilling".

Jehovah's witnesses now believe a Bethel engineered "self fulfilling prophecy" that will conceal the reality of the corporate downfall.

It is no accident it looks hollow, sounds hollow and is hollow, but filled with money and assets that JW slave labor can now kiss goodbye with all their properties too boot, as Bethel's Pharoah splits.

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A serving elder's take on the new "tithing" arrangement

by TTATTelder in

the gb can kiss my ass.. i'm writing "0" on the little slip of paper they pass out.. hey here's a thought:.

you know that "widow's might" stuff they're always talking about?

well i'm pretty dang sure that the lady was giving from the heart not because she filled out some dumba$$ piece of paper pledging two small coins several months previous!.

Ocean1111

What is truly amazing is in 4 years they liquidate a billion, conservative, in global real estate assets, and are STILL asking for more money. There is not an "investor" in all history as plainly stupid as a JW to not see what is going on - liquidation prior to final implosion of the Bethel corporations, plain and simple!

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What if you were a member of the GB and you woke up

by enigma1863 in

what if you were a member of the gb and you woke up and realized it's all bs.

what would you do?

i would try to change the org from within..

Ocean1111

@OnTheWayOut

You can't "fix" the Watchtower. It needs to go down.

That is true IMO. It is too late for a "reformation". If one tracks the notable trends to the GB dictatorship inception of 1976, it becomes obvious that style of corporate control is the epicenter of the Bethel fall. From that point in actual plummet of effective growth of "disciples", JWs went from straight projection of 12 million today, to geometrically more like 20 million "disciples" had the corruption and lies not eclipsed the growth projection.

Thus a trend like that has not bottomed out at just the loss of 10% effective growth under GB "guidance". That style of management and application of anti-christian principles is the one single "adjustment" that signals it must go into a negative growth, and it may just be a great abruption, and it may mean the loss of over 50% or more of modern JW "disciples" when this finally reaps all it has sown.

IMO Bethel will go down completely as a self-destructed organization. It is as if all those prophecies they apply to "apostate" Jerusalem will now replicate on "apostate" Bethel.

It is eerily striking the clarity of Jehovah's witnesses own self fulfilling prophecy, they even expect it, but it will not be for the reasons of "divine approval" they seek to conceal reality in. It will be simply what happens to a corrupt religion that has made judgment of others one of it's strongest themes. That is why it will reap what it has sown and all the principles it applies to others are the ones that cosmic inevitability will apply to it.

"Babylon the Great" and "Christendom" are not at the same level as Bethel hypocrisy, and will be far safer places to be when the Bethel Titanic actually starts going down. It hit the iceberg from within in 1976. The GB was corrupt then, and only progressed from bad to worse in it's brief dictatorship.

Even Jehovah's witnesses are not Jehovah's witnesses any longer, there is no resemblance to pre 1950s "Jehovah's Witnesses", it simply is not even the same "faith" it used to be, it is just a religious organizational corruption that made 4 billion+ dollars in the process. That much did exponentiate with expert investment advisors and FREE slave labor, under governmental tax advantges globally - it is a racket. It has been one of the greatest money making investment oppotunities of all time for insiders, and now it is going into liquidation prior to full implosion.

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The reason the Society keeps everyone busy with "campaigns"

by stuckinarut2 in

im sure that many have had an experience where we try and keep little kids "occupied" while on a boring trip, such as a car ride or plane flight.. we come up with "games" like..."lets see how many green cars we can count", or "lets try and see who can sit still for the longest time".

"the winner gets a prize!".

obviously, until they are wise enough to cotton on, all we are doing is keeping them occupied to prevent them asking things like "are we there yet?!".

Ocean1111

Distraction has worked. The WT has liquidated a billion in real-estate assets globally in 4 years. And no one noticed. LOL

Looks like the Bethel elites are planning a little trip soon... JWs are not invited.

But there money is.

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Helpful Scriptural References - importance of Trust in God not Man

by objectivetruth in

psalms 118:8 - it is better to take refuge in jehovah than to trust in humans.. the scriptures are clear that jesus is the truth - the way - the life : john 4:6 - jesus said to him: i am the way and the truth and the life.

no one comes to the father except through me.

1 timothy 2:4 - whose will is that all sorts of people should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth.

Ocean1111

(Jeremiah 17:5) : “Cursed is the able-bodied man who puts his trust in earthling man...

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A serving elder's take on the new "tithing" arrangement

by TTATTelder in

the gb can kiss my ass.. i'm writing "0" on the little slip of paper they pass out.. hey here's a thought:.

you know that "widow's might" stuff they're always talking about?

well i'm pretty dang sure that the lady was giving from the heart not because she filled out some dumba$$ piece of paper pledging two small coins several months previous!.

Ocean1111

Wow. A miracle! They are producing blood from a turnip!

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"We don't believe only JWs will survive Armageddon, only Jehovah can read hearts" - Logic Fallacies by JWs (or us)?

by cognisonance in

recently i talked to someone i care about who is in the jw group and stated i feel that believing billions of people are going to die when armegedon comes and only a jws will survive would be unloving of a god.

the response is one that i've also noticed others have experienced.

in short the answer is something like the following: "we don't believe that, only jehovah can read hearts.

Ocean1111

What JWs and many others should be focusing on is surviving the "new world order", lol, Armageddon would be a good thing in comparison! LOL

And even in JW "logic", the "new world order" or "world government" by another moniker, comes long before the JW version of "Armageddon". This is why this "armageddon" distraction is really quite the amazing thing in the JW engineered mindset, I like, "what in the hell are they thinking?", "don't they even read their OWN books????"

This is one of the weirdest illogics to ever transform in a religion in such short time, in such a context of "bible study". JWs are a very interesting case of the engineering of perception, but with a very specific picture in the mind of the programmer, very well reproduced in the JW collective mind.

It's no joke, this verges on a sort of transparent hypnotic, literally like a chemically aided shift in comprehension that cannot be reset.