Posts by Ocean1111

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Update on Fading Question

by wallievase in

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the other day i posted my delimma about dealing with family and leaving.. update: my wife came home from the hall sunday (i have now missed about 3 weeks in a row) and the elders now want to schedule a sheperding call.. should i just blow them off, or when they come over (because im sure my wife will have them over even if i decline) just tell them i cant do it right now?.

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Ocean1111

If you do get cornered, always ask questions, "answer" questions with more questions. That is don't raise accusations directly if there are those kinds of issues, ask them as questions, that may keep the "knee jerk" neo-Jesuit elders from reacting, because they never can actually answer the questions.

Like why did Bethel go UN NGO? Do you, Joe Elder, think God is also going to buy the "library card" excuse? What's the story with Daniel 8:13-14???

The Daniel 8:13-14 question stumps all elders even after they go and try to understand the Bethel fiction themselves.

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Not on JW.ORG : Another Watchtower Society property closed and sold.

by Balaamsass2 in

jul 22, 2014, 2:09pm hstlongs drugs to open new store in east honolulu near aina haina shopping center enlarge photopbn filelongs drugs, which opened this store in the davies pacific center in downtown honolulu last summer, plans to open another location in east honolulu near the aina haina shopping center.. duane shimogawareporter-pacific business newsemail | google+ | twitter | linkedinlongs drugs has purchased property for $7.6 million from the jehovahs witnesses for a new store and pharmacy in east honolulu near the aina haina shopping center, the broker who represented the seller told pbn.. rhode island-based cvs caremark corp.(nyse: cvs), which owns the longs drugs chain in hawaii, and kz devco, the california-based company that serves as the drugstore chain's exclusive developer in the state of hawaii, recently pulled building permits for the 1.4-acre property at 5156 kalanianaole highway, which was at one time was home to the popular ranch house restaurant.. a cvs/longs spokesman did not immediately return a message left by pbn.. the fee-simple property, which includes a two-story, 24,200-square-foot building, the former current home to the jehovahs witnesses, and a 2,279-square-foot building, the former home to a veterinarian clinic, had been on the market since the summer of 2012.. mark bratton, vice president of investment properties for colliers international hawaii, who represented the seller, told pbn that the jehovahs witnesses sold the property because they need a smaller location closer to where their members live.. the property was one of the few fee-simple commercially-zoned properties located within the aina haina and hawaii kai neighborhoods, which has about 150,000 square feet of office space and approximately 783,000 square feet of retail space in the trade area, colliers said.. with this limited inventory of commercial-zoned properties in the area, property sales are few and far between, according to colliers, which noted that the nearby aina haina shopping center was sold in 2007, making it the last commercial property sale within that area.. cvs opened its newest hawaii longs drugs store in may in makiki, which was its first new full-service store in urban honolulu in years.. longs drugs, which has operated in hawaii since 1954, currently has 54 locations in the state.

the aina haina neighborhood has longed for a drugstore chain to open in the area.

both walgreens and longs have stores in hawaii kai about four miles away.. duane shimogawa covers energy, real estate and economic development for pacific business news.

Ocean1111

Well if we take the 500 million or so, the JW land asset sales of the last four years in the US, and project that globally (and include other investment assets) it could be feasible Bethel is liquidating a billion or more in assets. Maybe even a couple billion. Of course this is odd behavior. Building an expectation in JWs for an "early end of the world", yet building a couple new HQ's, is also odd, now JWs have no actual HQ. So no one knows what the racketeers are really doing at Bethel, but it doesn't look good given the meager JW growth and contraction actually taking place.

They are milking JWs for every last personal and congregational dime as if they are a 15% growth rate. In fact Bethel could be at -3% growth and could still extend this illusion as needed as long as possible to fleece the JW system to the bone in the process. It looks like a coup about to go into the final phase, because it certainly is not the "end of the world", world government projections are still a good ten years out from the international planners own information.

It appears Bethel plans to coup Bethel, and sell that to JWs as "the attack on Babylon the Great", by "the Assyrian" "new" "King North", or whatever decoy is needed to cover up what is really just a multi-billion dollar corporate engineered implosion. In fact Bethel's JW "self fulfilling prophecy", that is the big expectations and impression they have installed into the mass JW brain, gives us the basic menu of the coup outline of objectives.

For example Bethel is already telling JWs "the preaching work will end". So as the Bethel corps go into seizure, Bethel's own leaders can call off the JW ministry to effectively abort the whole ministry, and it's resource base, as the world simply plods along as usual to global tribulation, resolution (Matt24:29), and world government, as in the three former world war cycles including the Cold War. All the basic final formula is already present in the overall development, JWs are an integral "rock in the shoe" set for an attempted "removal" globally, by deconstructing the Bethel "house of cards" first.

In the process JWs will believe Bible prophecy is what is fulfilling, but it will just be the Bethel "self fulfilling prophecy" of it's own end. It will take a few years for JWs to figure out they just got burned by their own "trusted leaders", the main Bethel leading conmen of the operation.

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For those in the Watchtower who believe in the inerrancy of the Bible

by opusdei1972 in

the watchtower says:.

9 while most major books of religion say very little, if anything, about god, the bible acquaints us with jehovah god and his activities.

it helps us to see the many facets of his personality.

Ocean1111

Well we gotta cut God a break here.

If you were wandering into a Canaanite camp one night in 1200 BC you would be skewered, impaled, skinned alive, gutted and fed to the dogs by sun up as an offering to that month's demon-god. Like Nicky in the movie Casino, David was also "dealing with a bunch of degenerate animals out here", and so anyone who survived in those days did fight fire with fire and David isn't a fairy tale, he was a warrior-king who had he been captured would also have been skewered alive by sun up. That is what David was dealing with "out there" so on certain occasions he skewered them instead, it is what it is.

What would we do? Try the "love your neighbor" formula back then? Those who did were skewered alive and their heads decked the camp poles. Their kids were sorted out for later, the girls went to the camp priests, and so on. The Canaanites were not a bunch of "innocent villagers", they were trying to be the top dog first round "savages" and psychos of the area. (It's all pretty much the same story in histories of that time.)

So the world of 1000 BC was quite different than today in certain ways, EVERYONE AND HIS MOTHER was avoiding the skewer, unlike a few people today subject to the military clad "legalized" violence controllers and "illegal" criminals that now wreak the same havoc in various parts of the world. But it is in the nature of fallen man, except in the time of the Judges and David it was the rule, not the exception.

Jesus Christ changed the rules for Christians as the world took on a basic semblance of "civilization", but in any event man and the "civilization" will not miraculosuly self cure it will probably meet it's own "remedy" first, not from God, but from Global NATO when it goes goes 100% global military monopoly in the next decade, then the "war machine", with no more classic soverign nation-state conflicts to referee, can be redirected and finally used for the final function that it is actually designed for: "controlling" "savage" mankind globally, but probably in a more permanent form to secure the territory of the modern "Canaanites" in elite circles, they are virtually the same guys, same goals, better technology and tactics, same demon-kings.

And into that world is when the "Son of David" is going to drop in, for real, and "again" play and win the game according to the same rules of the modern Canaanite. (imo) It's not that "history repeats" for it really doesn't, but it's patterns, principles and cycles do indeed replicate reliably. It's all many parts and pieces of one big final pattern that it is actually forming and we are at the cusp of the final replication of a final multi-year cycle summing it all up.

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Banner seen at convention in Miami

by Indian Larry in

comments?.

[img]http://i59.tinypic.com/dfx6y9.jpg[/img].

Ocean1111

More like the "Bethel Apostasy Virus" "100% Install Successful", New OS, reboot soon...

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What if Jehovah's Kingdom really became a Kingdom?

by SonoftheTrinity in

i mean what if a government decided to internally deport its jehovah's witnesses and give them their own independent country.

"here, since you say we are of satan, we're giving you a few square miles so lets see how much better a job your theocracy does, and this way you can't spread your religion.

" i'm surprised russia didn't try that.

Ocean1111

They already have this in a way, and in such a position Bethel will be the first citadel to be taken down, not the "Babylon the Great" diversion used to divert attention from the real target. It is also part of the JW "self fulfilling prophecy" that Bethel engineers to aid this end from within, for obviously the enemy at Bethel, lay within, to aid the deconstruction from external global sources.

It is so well prepared it actually explains itself. The GB is a sort of "King North" of Jehovah's witnesses "earth". When this really starts to hit Bethel it will be good to udnerstand it is not "the end of the world", it will be the "end of Bethel".

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most important event in the 20th century

by scotoma in

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june 28 1914 archduke ferdinand was killed by a serbian government sponsored assassination team.. this was the trigger event of world war i. actually some have called it world war (part 1) followed less than 30 years later by world war (part 2).. in retrospect this was a useful date for jw's.. it has propelled them for 100 years.. of course jw's have massaged their predictions about the significance of 1914 over the years.. do you feel that jw's would be what they are today without that great war?

do you think that the shooting down of the passenger plane over east ukraine will be an equivalent moment that pushes putin into a corner where he will have to fight the west?

in other words will we look back on that event as the beginning of world war (part 3)?.

Ocean1111

Do you think that the shooting down of the passenger plane over East Ukraine will be an equivalent moment that pushes Putin into a corner where he will have to fight the west? In other words will we look back on that event as the beginning of World War (Part 3)?

Well what can we learn about the secular meaning of WW1 (and it's cycle) in itself?

Well it resolved into the first ever "world government" foundational League of Nations forum international in intent. Basically it was a world war to world government cycle.

Even with no JWs on planet earth and no JW ministry, a global scale war in WW1, resolving into a "world government" presentation in the "League of Nations" is a HIGHLY SIGNIFICANT cycle and meaning in all of HUMAN HISTORY.

Let's not fool ourselves or beat around the bush, the " world war" "problem" and it's "peace resolution" aids the " world government" presentation as the "solution" and that played out in WW1 regardless of "religious commentary" and "prophecy fanatics". It is what it is, a basic world-war-to-world-government cycle.

How do we know it is significant and cyclic?

Because it occurred not just after WW1 (1914-1919), but after WW2 (1939-1945) as "United Nations" and after Cold War (1945-1990) as UN "New World Order" proclamation by George Bush Sr's world tour. The Cold War was a global war by the way, merely noted as "cold" in nature, it was unique in deployment and duration but the outcome was the same: "World Government" intent.

Thus we have three cycles that twice repeated the first WW1 cycle formula as world war resolved into "world government" in the making. THREE TIMES this has occurred after a known "global war" of some sort, including the Cold War.

So world war eventually resolves and results in world government. This is intuitive now, not "conspiracy". It is what it is.

Logically now, after three examples of this formula, it merely takes 4 cycles, including the final future cycle four, to finally birth full world government as a global functioning entity including but not limited to the UN international forum foundation. Thus the "League of Nations" foundation is indeed dynamic and still maturing, and so WW1 was indeed highly significant due to this cycle ultimate meaning.

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So it seems the final cycle is what Russia and eventually China and the Middle East sitting duck Iran will lead in to, a world war of some unique form, in my opnion.

In fact "world war" is already started in the basic meaning of the Global War on Terror. "Global War" (meaning "world war"), "On Terror", it is already called a 'world war', but by the new terminology. Now that already declared "global war" merely needs to go to GWOT Phase 2.

How do we know? Because NATO, and it's partners, have been positioning for 13 years globally for an escalation to a final phase. Why expand a global war machine like NATO and never use it? Right?

After the 911 required global pretext of "the global terror threat", GWOT provided a veritable "Global NATO" super- expansion worldwide in preparation for final world war with bases in at least 100 countries and regions as a result of post 911 NATO, Gulf Cooperation Council, The Dialogue, and other military extensions, expansion, and new partnerships. Not to mention the major invasions of Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya. (NATO SOCOM activity in addition to NATO wars).

So obviosuly something is up, we were not born yesterday.

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The Ukraine situation may very well be a fuse to more intrigues centering on Russia.

But in addtion to Russia, at virtually the same time, the "Israel Peace Deal" and the Iraq Islamic ISIS an obvious " Osama Bin Laden 2.0" has also arisen.

Do we really think that in about 6 months, all these extra world developmental "props" just popped up in known "powder kegs" on the world scene for no reason? No. Something is being prepared in my opinion, something for future use.

Now we have a new powder keg in the Israel "peace deal" and Palestinian developments as well, and we have two now forming potential "bogey men" in Russia and ISIS Islam entities forming for those possible roles in the future. It is all very convenient, too convenient.

What will tie this whole rat nest of world tension potential together? We can only speculate for now. But it seems the main players have been introduced with ties to the past.

Now the NATO war dependent western system has many new "scapegoats" to blame literally ANYTHING that comes down the militant or "false-flag" pike in the next year. And now it is being injected into the mainstream media mental system for the average Joe to know who to blame later, to distract from the the real NATO warlords and world government engineers who use these core world war developments to present world government renditions at the end of the cycle, a cycle now merely repeating a fourth time.

In any event the convenient global " props" are being set on the global stage for the fourth global cycle, that if the former three are a clue, includes some form of world war designed to resolve into a world government presentation a number of years down the line.

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Malaysian flight crash in Ukraine VS Flight 93 in Pennsylvania

by EndofMysteries in

i wonder if anybody else has wondered about the differences between those 2 flights?

in the malaysian flight that crashed from 30,000 feet high, tons of wreckage, body parts, bodies, documents, etc, all over the place.

yet in the pa flight 93, just a crater in the ground, no bodies, everything supposedly vaporized.

Ocean1111

Paul Craig Roberts noted this in his blog comparing the two "crash" sites:

""NOTE: Photos are now available of the wreckage from the Malaysian airliner crash. Notice the extensive debris and the large section of fuselage. You are observing remains of an airliner that was hit with a missile at 33,000 feet and fell to impact land. Remember, no such debris was present at the site where the airliner is alleged to have hit the Pentagon and at the alleged crash site in Pennsylvania of the 4th 9/11 hijacked airliner. Give that some thought. No doubt but that the 9/11 Commission will conclude that only Malaysian airliners leave debris.""

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/07/17/sanctions-airliners-paul-craig-roberts/

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Paul - GB Member (W 9/15/14)

by pixel in

ok, is this a "new understanding" or what?

up until this point i thought that the borg refered paul as a co or do, but never gb member:.

p. 12 now, why would paul a spiritual giant who likely was a member of the first-century governing bodycall himself a miserable man?.

Ocean1111

It's a psychological ploy to form a "holy" relationship to a well known and respected Biblical figure, like the apostle Paul, in order for duped JWs to now connect Paul's reputation to that of the Governing Body by pure presumption and assumption, all claims, no actuality.

The GB like to associate themselves to certain key authorities of the Bible like God, Christ, the twelve apostles, the "body of the Christ", Moses and so on and so forth.

In this way the Classic Apostates right at Bethel, the modern day "Korah", "Balaam", and "Judas", the classic "evil slave" usurpers, can then hide under an assumed veneer of credibility with good momentum from the past. When in fact the Governing Body came into power in 1976 after all the major spiritual understandings were all in print by 1969. The red Revelation Grand Climax book is all from Fred Franz pervious work.

The whole Isaiah commentary is from the Fred Franz manuscripts for the BTG has fallen book. In effect the GB jumped the controls AFTER the org was fully functioning and the spiritual system was fully implemented, and from then on they take credit for the whole work. It is a big illusion, the GB did NOTHING for Jehovah's witnesses but drag them into the top four million person stumbling scandals of all JW history, UN NGO, pedophiles, shunning and money laundering and racketeering.

So the GB is able to slip their viper body into a sheepskin carcass and carry on a "God's chosen" "work", really the final "operation of error", and JWs would have to make at least a cursory review of their own history and the Crisis of Conscience book, since 1970, to see the GB is LITERALLY a con game, "lifting themselves over everyone" in explicit fashion and terms, not responsible for ONE IOTA of the modern JW ministry except it's hypocrisy, lawlessness, scandal - - and most importantly, profiteering.

It is all a game of evil racketeers assuming a facade of hyper-holiness that JWs already buy from the Bible or from early Christians in the JW ministry that pre-date the "governing body" and it's transformation from the formerly powerless "board of directors". It is all too convenient how this also equates to a multi-billion dollar swindle and JW slave labored cash cow too boot, merely ensconced in a highly effective sheepskin blasphemy that developed incrementally, gradually.

Recycling the past, over and over and over again, aids the overall delusion (and hypnotism) now enveloping pretty much all JWs globally.

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Anyone Seen This

by lambsbottom in

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2691254/how-jehovahs-witnesses-got-street-smart-believers-swap-infamous-doorstepping-standing-outside-train-stations-shops.html.

it's a practice that's been the butt of jokes for decades: a pair of jehovah's witnesses turning up suited and booted on your doorstep.. but the days of the 140-year-old religious order's members trudging door-to-door in the rain could soon be numbered.. thousands have switched tactics to stand on street corners in more than a dozen cities across britain - and unusually for public preachers, they are staying almost completely silent.. leaders believe it is a better tactic in modern britain, where people do not like being approached directly and prefer browsing as if in a shop.. three years after the same tactic was introduced in new york, witnesses have been standing on pavements in at least 13 cities across britain and handing out tens of thousands of magazines.. unlike other evangelical preachers, they do not shout or call attention to themselves - instead standing in near-silence until someone approaches them.. 'i guess that's just not our style,' said mark o'malley, a spokesman for the jehovah's witnesses at their london headquarters.. 'we have used inventive approaches down the years.

we used "sound cars" in the 1930s which would relay lectures in the street from megaphones on the roof.. 'radio was used a lot later on and our members wore placards and sandwich boards.

Ocean1111

Well obviously simply bypassing the whole Web territory of 2 billion+ people is a strategic decision. The decision is to KILL the ministry, it is as if Charles Russell and Joe Rutherford IGNORED the technologies of their day, which they did not. Plain and simple a JW on the Web for one month with a few techniques known to SEOs globally, would be far more effective than 3 "pioneers" working streets and doors ALL YEAR LONG.

And how do we know this is the case? Look at the Web's effect on decreasing JW growth. Now the Bethel lawless record disseminated through the internet stumbles conservatively 4 or 5000 people evry day away from "the truth", as Bethel causes "the truth to be spoken of abusively" by their record.

In fact the whole "opposer" front has been transformed to an analysis not of theology, but of Bethel UN NGO, pedophile aiding and abetting, shunning and shameless racketeering of billions in JW assets and global slave labor to recapitalize the JW "investment" into lucrative property and technology farming.

Now as well Bethel subverts not only the average JW, they also subvert the opposition by labeling them "apostates" when in fact the Classic Apostasy is right in Bethel's leadership. JW critics should not allow Bethel to call them "apostates", Bethel has no business pointing any bloody fingers at anyone and people should ID Bethel as the real "apostates".

Now the list of strategic ministry kill techniques can go on and on and it indicates design, not random spiritual decadence. The random decadence is now developing as a symptom of the core design right in the congregations who emulate the spiritual criminality and hubris, as usual, of the Bethel celebrity leadership. The WHOLE thing, and every part of JWs, now distracts from their own original "Kingdom message".

JWs are now a ridiculous GB cult and running joke and it's going to get much much worse.

Thus it appears by all this "rebranding" and latent messaging they are preparing JWs for the Bethel backed end of the ministry, to be called off by the GB themselves and thus that 1976 GB coup will meet it's original objective, but in final form. It is "the end" of Bethel "any day now", not the world system. Bethel is preparing the cover and reception of their own planned downfall, that is the only reasonable answer for all these weird anomalies, because it is from 1976 that Bethel went into terminal corruption and development of their top 4 global stumbling developments and policies that literally stumble probably a million people a year for the last 20 years.

There is no way to blame the whole JW ministry for the world of the lawless GB since 1976, but they love people to make that over-extension to question the entire Christian validity of a "kingdom come" message which has been the core of any believer's own "model prayer" for 2000 years, and that too is discredited by the Bethel vampires. Bethel's apostasy is only equalled by the Sanhedrin, Christendom looks like a saint compared to modern lawless Bethel's record from a more enlightened state and claim persepctive. Meaning JWs "claiming to see" are worse in blindness due to their own "accurate knowledge" and claims.

That is why the ministry is at "apex" in stumbling, not in effectiveness. Many red flags are now flapping over Bethel, it is worse than even most JW critics realize.

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Speculation Fall AGM

by Poztate in

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a lot of comments have been made about possible big changes at the agm in the fall.. comments range from changes to the blood doctrine or who compose the one hundred and forty four thousand.. my speculation is.... (and if someone else had this kind of thread i am not stealing from you..just never read it).

the door to door as we know it will cease to exist.

the publishing of a monthly public wt and awake will end.. instead each month a tract with different subjects and a redirect to jw.org will come out.

Ocean1111

The GB has varied in size, in the Proclaimers book there were 12, in 1976 8 members had been added for majority effect cushion in 1975 for the GB coup, so they had 17 or 18 members then, can't recall.

So the AGM is at times a time to release blasphemies against their own supposed faith in some massive form every now and again, and this next one may be of similar duplicity. Since the Bethel "predictive program" already has JWs expecting the ministry to end, this is probably to be done when the real Bethel criminal deconstruction process begins, hence the multi-billion dollar liquidation already in progress for 4 years. Internationally the asset liquidation may be well over 1 billion dollars worth of properties and other investment assets.

God knows they are sucking JWs dry for every last possible drop from the JW and congregation pockets.

They already "abandoned the house" at classic Bethel, and JWs have no HQ, so maybe 2014 marks the time to prep the JW mind for the "self fulfilling prophecy" final stage of the GB coup, we shall see. That they are godless frauds, not Christian much less "anointed" is now obvious with more than a UN NGO orgy under their belt, these guys are literally a criminal racket even according to "the world's" standards, and that will have blowback.

If Russian intrigues continue to ratchet up, we may see a new "King North" decoy to further conceal the GB's "8th King" internationalist developments actually in that prophecy. Whatever may develop "the end" "anyday now" is definitely planned and pre-programmed for Bethel, not the "system of things", and JWs have a nice Bethel "self fulfilling prophecy" to cover up that deconstruction as if "prophecy is fulfilling brothers!", it is the "attack on Babylon the Great!" by "the Assyrian", "job well done, see you in paradise!". But in fact Bethel is the target set for demolition first (1Pet4:17), and they are the central apostasy of their own time.

When the Titanic of Bethel has the GB captains on the only lifeboat, and the ice water starts to splash JWs in the face, then maybe a couple JWs will wake up to what is really going on at lawless and apostate Bethel.