DNCall: I came across him while going door to door in Beverly Hills. He eventually got reinstated and finished his life as an active witness.
There's a bit more here: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/66326/_post/1029182
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"Heritage" Vintage JW movie from 1966
by NikL ini can't remember where i first heard about this movie but it was recently.
i guess they even showed it on tv.
probably payed for like an infomercial.. anyway, i looked it up on youtube and viola!.
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Danish Witnesses New Tactic for NH
by konceptual99 inseems like jws in denmark are using a new tactic to reach people not at home - text messages.... http://www.gp.se/nyheter/v%c3%a4rlden/jehovas-vittnens-nya-knep-n%c3%a4r-folk-inte-%c3%b6ppnar-1.4153345.
it's in swedish but translates with google translate quite nicely..
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Cool thanks - I had heard about it from the brief article on the inside cover of Ekstra Bladet earlier this week, but didn't think much of it when I was told as it was so brief.
But the original article in BT is much more interesting, so thanks.
BTW - seems like the trend nowadays is to get apartment and house doorbells linked to your cell phone. When someone presses the doorbell - it rings the householder on their cell phone, so you end up talking to them like it was an intercom.
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VIDEO: Queensland - Durack Kingdom Hall - 30th Anniversary
by darkspilver inthis newly released original 1987 archival footage - with voice-over narration, commentary and interviews with those involved - takes an in depth look at both the history of the durack kingdom hall and the construction of the current kingdom hall that culminated over two weekends in january 1987.. the original kingdom hall in durack dates back to 1960 - but as the jws continued to experience growth in australia - increasing by some 280% over the following 25 years, it was felt that a new, larger, kingdom hall was now needed.. the new kingdom hall was built in january 1987, but rather than simply pull-down the original kingdom hall, they decided to incorporate it within the new kingdom hall and have a somewhat large auditorium.. another interesting feature of this kingdom hall is the tiered seating used for the back few rows (for example see part 3 around 12:35 and part 4 around 10:50).
(see also the thread from last december - video queensland strathpine kh 30th anniversary ).
durack kingdom hall, 20 freeman road, durack, brisbane, qld 4077google map: https://goo.gl/maps/yhyubk4rvt92streetview: https://goo.gl/maps/lkmgvbmlk2d2.
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stuckinarut2: Is it still in existence, or has the society taken possession of that hall and sold it?
I included a link to Google StreetView in my OP - so you can see what it looks like nowadays.
According to jw/org there appears to be currently four congregations using this KH
- English Oxley Congregation (incl Tagalog Group)
- English Inala Congregation
- Samoan Durack Congregation
- Vietnamese Brisbane West Congregation
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VIDEO: Queensland - Durack Kingdom Hall - 30th Anniversary
by darkspilver inthis newly released original 1987 archival footage - with voice-over narration, commentary and interviews with those involved - takes an in depth look at both the history of the durack kingdom hall and the construction of the current kingdom hall that culminated over two weekends in january 1987.. the original kingdom hall in durack dates back to 1960 - but as the jws continued to experience growth in australia - increasing by some 280% over the following 25 years, it was felt that a new, larger, kingdom hall was now needed.. the new kingdom hall was built in january 1987, but rather than simply pull-down the original kingdom hall, they decided to incorporate it within the new kingdom hall and have a somewhat large auditorium.. another interesting feature of this kingdom hall is the tiered seating used for the back few rows (for example see part 3 around 12:35 and part 4 around 10:50).
(see also the thread from last december - video queensland strathpine kh 30th anniversary ).
durack kingdom hall, 20 freeman road, durack, brisbane, qld 4077google map: https://goo.gl/maps/yhyubk4rvt92streetview: https://goo.gl/maps/lkmgvbmlk2d2.
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Listener: 'short, shorts' on both the females and males as well as the tank tops and blokes without any tops.
haha! exactly! does rather stand out... they wouldn't be allowed anywhere near the KH nowadays. Interesting how things have changed.
Finkelstein: whats the point of this thread ????
Cool, yes that's a good question.
I knew before starting this thread that it would be of limited interest - I endeavoured to make the thread title brief but as informative as possible - so those interested could click on it, and those not interested could simply ignore it.
Although rather grainy, the presentation is IMHO fairly well done, and is actually quite watchable. The footage IMHO is also of historical interest, both for those familiar with what was done back then, and for newer people less familiar with how the 'quick-builds' operated in those early days. (Including, as Listener has pointed out above, the 'dress-code' they allowed back then).
I think there might even actually be some forum members here who come from QLD (!), so there might be a very very slight possibility that they might even possibily be in one of the videos - yes, it's a very very slight possibility, I know, the world ain't that small - otherwise they might know some of the people who are in the video.
The tiered seating for the back rows of seats in the main auditorium - as I highlighted in my OP - is also fairly unique in a 'new-build'? Or maybe it's Australian? I don't know? I was wondering if I'd get feed back on that....
So, no not terribly exciting, I'm sorry. I do think before posting a new thread if it's worth posting it or not, and sometimes I don't think it is, so I don't post it. But I take your point - next time I will try to be a bit more specific regarding the reasons why I've started a new thread.
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SCOTLAND: JW warned court will deliver judgment
by darkspilver infrom the east coast of scotland, just north of dundee...... the courier - friday 10 february 2017 - page 8. jehovah’s witness warned court will deliver judgment .
a church figure has been told by a sheriff that the courts will deliver judgment on his domestic offending and not the jehovah’s witness group he is a member of.
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steve2: Actually, in cases of domestic violence, it is not unusual for the victim to later approach the police and ask that the matter be dropped.
Yes, I can appreciate the huge problem - which is why crofty highlighted what they do in Scotland now. So cases ARE dealt with in a proper fashion.
Interesting though to consider some of the principles that crofty has previously linked to in another thread and how ? ( or even, if ? ) they might apply.
Andy Capp - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-35802880
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Sad news from the Spanish Front
by Hecce ini think the majority of forum friends are aware of the existence of a vibrant watchtower opposition in the spanish field.
for about 13 years the extj forum was probably the main instrument for that endeavor, sadly the couple sponsoring that site decided to close it at the end of last year.
it seems like they were overwhelmed with personal obligations and responsibilities; they were covering a 100% of the expenses without any outside cooperation or publicity.. after the closing of their forum, some of the friends started new sites to keep the flow of information alive.
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sp74bb: Time for forum discussion is not anymore a priority for me...
Forums can be a valuable means of 'crowd-sourcing' news and ideas from which you don't usually have access to, and which you can then expand and elaborate on yourself via either the written word on your website, or via video on youtube - but of course, if you cut off the Forum, cut off that supply......
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VIDEO: Queensland - Durack Kingdom Hall - 30th Anniversary
by darkspilver inthis newly released original 1987 archival footage - with voice-over narration, commentary and interviews with those involved - takes an in depth look at both the history of the durack kingdom hall and the construction of the current kingdom hall that culminated over two weekends in january 1987.. the original kingdom hall in durack dates back to 1960 - but as the jws continued to experience growth in australia - increasing by some 280% over the following 25 years, it was felt that a new, larger, kingdom hall was now needed.. the new kingdom hall was built in january 1987, but rather than simply pull-down the original kingdom hall, they decided to incorporate it within the new kingdom hall and have a somewhat large auditorium.. another interesting feature of this kingdom hall is the tiered seating used for the back few rows (for example see part 3 around 12:35 and part 4 around 10:50).
(see also the thread from last december - video queensland strathpine kh 30th anniversary ).
durack kingdom hall, 20 freeman road, durack, brisbane, qld 4077google map: https://goo.gl/maps/yhyubk4rvt92streetview: https://goo.gl/maps/lkmgvbmlk2d2.
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This newly released original 1987 archival footage - with voice-over narration, commentary and interviews with those involved - takes an in depth look at both the history of the Durack Kingdom Hall and the construction of the current Kingdom Hall that culminated over two weekends in January 1987.
The original Kingdom Hall in Durack dates back to 1960 - but as the JWs continued to experience growth in Australia - increasing by some 280% over the following 25 years, it was felt that a new, larger, Kingdom Hall was now needed.
The new Kingdom Hall was built in January 1987, but rather than simply pull-down the original Kingdom Hall, they decided to incorporate it within the new Kingdom Hall and have a somewhat large auditorium.
Another interesting feature of this Kingdom Hall is the tiered seating used for the back few rows (for example see Part 3 around 12:35 and Part 4 around 10:50)
(see also the thread from last December - Video Queensland Strathpine KH 30th anniversary )
Durack Kingdom Hall, 20 Freeman Road, Durack, Brisbane, QLD 4077
Google Map: https://goo.gl/maps/YHyUBk4rVt92
StreetView: https://goo.gl/maps/LkmGVbMLK2D2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zub2oar7ujg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNvkiMZ1IhM
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Watchtower alternative fact - JWs were among the first to expose concentration camps
by slimboyfat ini am currently reading the new history of the holocaust by british historian laurence rees and it reminded me of a comment in the awake!
magazine i read years ago and trusted as factual.
i quote both passages without comment.
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I'm not sure what your interest (if any!) is vis-vis the views of the general British population to the dissemination of news from Germany pre-war, but it's an interesting subject area.
Today we have the benefit of hindsight - we have a clearer idea of what was happening and what was going to happen. The treatment of the Jews was atrocious and we must not forget that.
Those reading their newspapers during the 1930s did not have availability of multiple news channels and 24-hour news. They were also fitting what they were being told into a different knowledge background than we have today (for example the reporting of The Rape of Belgium 20 years previous) and they had their own expectations and hopes - this was, in Britain, generally an era of 'appeasement' (and in the US, an era of 'isolationism'). I believe it is important to historically contextualise what was being reported at that time - though we must not minimize in anyway what happened, or excuse it.
Looking back, the Letters published in the Manchester Guardian from Monday 23 April 1945 are interesting:
"... The fact that this has been practised on so large and scientific a scale may startle the more empirically minded. But it will not have surprised those who choose to recall the cruelties of the last-war German and the bestialities which marked the early Nazi years. Sceptics {surely by now a dwindling sect), and others, will perhaps recollect today the enlightened part played by the Manchester Guardian in the pre-war years in acquainting the thinking world with the facts of the concentration camp regime. Your then Berlin correspondent's timely dispatches are now proved beyond all doubt to have been tragically sober and well-informed accounts, and not unpalatable exaggerations to be quickly read and conveniently forgotten... " - B Melland, 20 April 1945
"Now that we have irrefutable proof of the atrocities that have been perpetrated in the Nazi concentration camps, it is interesting, and instructive, to recall the attitude of much of the press (not the Manchester Guardian), of many Conservative MPs, and of a good section of the deluded public in the early days of the Nazi regime towards the accounts of atrocities which did filter through. Such accounts were dismissed as mere propaganda put forward by Socialists or Jews, or, alternatively, if the atrocities were admitted - well, it was only those 'wicked Socialists' or those 'despicable Jews' who were being ill-treated. Perhaps the democratic peoples have now learned that a nation or a Government that can perpetrate such atrocities against any of its people is a danger to the whole human race." - E Hough, 19 April 1945
And regarding the British public's belief and view of the stories about Nazi atrocities, even towards the end of the war? In December 1944 37% believed them to be true - with 29% believing them to be 'partly true', 11% thinking them 'false', and (I think an amazingly high) 23% of the British public having 'no opinion' about them. BUT a few months later in April 1945 that had changed. Then 81% believed them to be 'true', 16% as 'partly true', 3% as 'false' and 0% as having 'no opinion'. One, of a number of 'turning points' for the British public was no doubt the publication of photos that had not been available before that time. Pictures played an important part.
Thank you for the summary list (of just a few) of the newspaper articles you found.
Interestingly, looking through them there was one reference which immediately stood out to me and I therefore looked it up - In contrast to the others it was not a newspaper, it was a mass-market weekly magazine with pictures, and I suspect would have had a longer 'shelf-life' in the house and was even likely to be kept.
Remember, The Guardian had published on 1 January 1934 the following article (with no pictures): DACHAU CONCENTRATION CAMP - Report on its Organisation, Routine, and Recent History - PUNISHMENT AND ILL-TREATMENT OF PRISONERS
https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/from-the-archive-blog/2011/may/25/guardian190-dachau-1934This was followed five weeks later, as you highlighted, by the following double page spread, with eight (rather innocuous) pictures:
Illustrated London News, 10th February 1934: Camps for political prisoners under the Nazi regime
Hitherto little has been available by way of illustration of the German concentration camps for political prisoners under the Nazi regime, about which there has been so much rumour and discussion. Unique interest consequently belongs to these photographs, lately to hand from a French source, and secured, it is stated, on the first occasion on which a journalist has been authorised to take pictures in the camp at Dachau.
Although as far back as last October a message from Berlin stated that the camps were to be abolished, and that "most of them had already been closed down," recent news does not fulfil that prophecy. On January 26 Herr Gerhardt Seger, former secretary of the German Peace Society, was reported to have said that there were still sixty concentration camps in Germany, containing 50,000 political prisoners. Meanwhile, however, there seems to be no doubt that large numbers of prisoners have been released from time to time, partly in view of the Nazi electoral triumph, and also as a gesture of goodwill at Christmas, preference being given to prisoners of good behaviour and especially to fathers of large families. Those released were urged to enter the Nazi fold, and at the same time were warned that any relapse on their part into hostility towards the Government would meet with "rigorous, unrelenting, and final measures."
A recent sidelight on the question was thrown by the case of three Roman Catholic priests, arrested last November, who were sentenced on January 24, at Munich, to several months' imprisonment. One of the priests was accused of having fabricated stories of atrocities said to have been committed in the camp at Dachau, and the others of having passed on these stories.
It may be recalled also that, some few months ago, attention was drawn, by Major General Sir Neill Malcolm, to alleged ill-treatment of a well-known prisoner, Herr Ebert, son of the first President of the German Republic, "to whom (said General Malcolm) Germans owe far more than many of them are now willing to admit." In a letter to The Times, all the more impressive from its sympathetic tone towards Nazi rule, General Malcolm made the following statements (here somewhat abridged): "I am not one of those who can see no virtue in the Hitler regime. To me it seems that his Government, like most other Governments, has done much that is good. It has certainly restored to a great majority of Germans that feeling of national self-respect which is perhaps the most precious possession of a great people. Nevertheless, in common with other revolutionary movements, the Hitler regime has an unpleasant side, which is doing Germany much harm in the eyes of the outside world. I believe that there are very many right-minded Germans who know little or nothing of the administration of the concentration camps. I believe there are others who do know and heartily disapprove." Some three weeks later General Malcolm made known, "without comment," an account of a visit to Herr Ebert, at the Borgemoor camp, by a member of the Prussian Ministry of the Interior, to whom Ebert said he had experienced no ill-treatment. At the same time it was reported from Berlin that, while no denial of General Malcolm's statements, or reference to them, had apparently been published in Germany. Herr Ebert had suddenly appeared at another camp, at Lichtenburg, where he was seen, looking physically fit and well-fed, by a group of foreign visitors including a British journalist.
The correspondent from whom the above photographs came, describing his visit to Dachau, writes: "To this camp the Hitler Government has sent its most formidable opponents. Dachau is a little village on a hill thirty kilometres from Munich. The motor-bus from the station is always full, for the camp commandant allows the prisoners' parents to bring them, from time to time, food, linen, and tobacco. All about the camp were guards in green uniform, armed to the teeth, and from a turret in a corner two machine - guns point towards the gate. 'There are here,' said the Commandant, '2500 prisoners and 400 guards. That is why our men are armed and we have barbed wire charged with electricity. So far we have set free, provisionally, nearly 600 prisoners, of whom only about 50 have returned.' The prisoners were ordered to build a memorial to Horst Wessel, and adorn their barrack walls with portraits of Hitler, and the swastika sign, which appears on workshop walls, worktables, and even tools. The organisation of the camp is excellent, and when inspecting the dormitories, the living quarters, the kitchens, and the hospital, one recalls that meticulous organisation is the chief virtue of the Germans. The workshops are provided with modern machinery, and Dachau is, in effect, a highly up-to-date 'factory.'"
(note paragraph breaks added)
I think even articles written 20 years ago need to be historically contextualised within what was known and/or accepted at the time. Thankfully there has been a growing worldwide acknowledgement, in particular, since the 1990s that we must learn more and never forget what happened as more museums and memorials are established.
For example the United States official Holocaust Memorial Museum (ushmm.org) in Washington was dedicated in 1993, and in Britain, The National Holocaust Centre and Museum (nationalholocaustcentre.net) opened in 1995. The recognition of Holocaust Remembrance Day/s in many countries has come much more into being from the 1990s, with the UN, in 2005, designating 27 January as International Holocaust Remembrance Day.
In addition, the relatively recent advent of technology, with for example the digitization of newspapers, is now enabling much research to be untaken in a more easier and comprehensive way. It is specifically due to those recent advances, that it is really only now that the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum can undertake to mount an exhibition such as the forthcoming 2018 History Unfolded: U.S. Newspapers and the Holocaust that I've previously mentioned in this thread. It will be interesting to keep an eye out for this.
Sorry for going somewhat off-topic - in conclusion: Does anyone know of any books or studies that have been done regarding the news reporting in Britain during the 1930s??
There appears to be a fair amount regarding reporting during and after the war - for example the PhD thesis below, but not really before (or the inter-war period)
Belsen, Dachau, 1945: Newspapers and the First Draft of History
Sarah Coates BA (Hons.) - Thesis - Doctor of Philosophy, Deakin University, March 2016
This thesis examines how Nazi concentration camps were first presented to the British and American general public. It focuses on the nature of press coverage in 1945, identifying themes that emerged in British and American newspaper reportage of two Nazi concentration camps, Belsen and Dachau, in the immediate aftermath of liberation and during the subsequent trials of camp personnel. In examining the two historically critical events of liberation and military trials and focusing on two major Nazi camps, this thesis grapples with the links between early reporting and ongoing misunderstandings about the concentration camp system. Recognising the pivotal role journalists play in forming the 'first rough draft' of concentration camp history, it is argued that the way liberation is remembered today and what concentration camps are seen to represent is linked closely to the contemporary framing of camps. The thesis identifies how the press portrayed key themes in the camps and structured these to create, in some cases, a highly problematic discourse reflective of the values of correspondents and photographers, the conventions of the time, and national ideals and desires.
http://dro.deakin.edu.au/eserv/DU:30088987/coates-belsendachau-2016A.pdf
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Stephanie Fessler v Watch Tower - Trial on Tuesday, Feb. 7, 2017 in Pennsylvania
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://avoidjw.org/2017/02/stephanie-fessler-v-watch-tower/.
stephanie fessler v watch tower.
stephanie fessler was brought up as a jehovah’s witness by her parents, jodee and kevin.
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ttdtt: The parties did not settle, though, leading to the trial, which is expected to run five or six days.
Yes, and her attorney, Jeffrey Fritz, in that same article explained that: "Her main motivation is exposing that the policies of the Watchtower and the Jehovah's Witnesses are not following mandatory reporting laws in Pennsylvania. That's what led to this happening to her, and continuing to happen to other victims within the religion, as well."
jwleaks: Could be the weather conditions affecting those who plan to observe.
I wondered that too....
The OP doesn't seem to have posted ANYthing here since the OP on this thread, some eight days ago now?
I just think that, having been hyped-up for daily updated, it would have been good to have been told if there had been an issue, either with the case being heard 'in-camera', if there had been reporting restrictions imposed, or if those hoping to attend in person had simply been unable to make it for what ever reason - and that would be very understandable
What's interesting is there also doesn't seem to be ANY coverage from any (non-JW) news outlets - compare that to the other recent 'trial-by-jury' court case here which had two news report during the actual trial, and a third one when the verdict from the jury was announced.
I think there has been snow forecast since last weekend - but from all accounts, nothing totally out of the ordinary? aren't they used to snow around there?, and are equiped to handle it and minimize any hold-ups. The live cams look reasonable?
Below is a live cam showing a major roundabout junction - I believe located just a couple of blocks away from the court house:http://www.fox29.com/philadelphia-webcam
Below is a live cam showing a general view of the downtown area:
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SCOTLAND: JW warned court will deliver judgment
by darkspilver infrom the east coast of scotland, just north of dundee...... the courier - friday 10 february 2017 - page 8. jehovah’s witness warned court will deliver judgment .
a church figure has been told by a sheriff that the courts will deliver judgment on his domestic offending and not the jehovah’s witness group he is a member of.
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Perry: Why would the JWs even be brought into the discussion?
I think cofty gives the answer - They don't require the victim's cooperation to bring a prosecution - it seems that the wife does not want to press charges, but the police, now that they have attended the situation, are bringing a prosecution without the victim's cooperation. The wife I presume is presenting the case that she is happy for them to be helped by the involvement of her church ministers rather than the law/police.
(Scotland has it's own laws apart from England and Wales - this is a Scottish only law?)
