Posts by darkspilver

19

A Question

by FedUpJW in

i would appreciate knowing from someone in the know if the goofy carts and rain covers are given to the congregation by the org.

or if the congregation has to pay the org for them.

i am sure i read that somewhere here in my lurking days, but am not finding it at present.. if the congregation is billed for it i intend to use that as a reason for my continued refusal to donate anything from now on.. thanks in advance..

darkspilver

pale.emperor
I think a better reason to not donate is that the GB members fly first class on planes (with their wives) at $4,500 a ticket!!

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5722816267681792/branch-visit-yesterday?page=2

respectful_observer
Take it for what it is (unsubstantiated), but it's my understanding from more than one senior Bethel contact that it's the GB's standard policy to only ever fly Coach/Economy, even to the point of refusing frequent flyer upgrades, lest some lowly J-dub see them comfortably tucked into First as they slog their way back to the cheap seats.

ah so that's what they call 'an inconvenient truth'

Is Paula the new Johnny the Bethelite or the new Andre?

That's all folks!

DarK SpilveR

19

A Question

by FedUpJW in

i would appreciate knowing from someone in the know if the goofy carts and rain covers are given to the congregation by the org.

or if the congregation has to pay the org for them.

i am sure i read that somewhere here in my lurking days, but am not finding it at present.. if the congregation is billed for it i intend to use that as a reason for my continued refusal to donate anything from now on.. thanks in advance..

darkspilver

Found it

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/282651/boe-2014-07-15-witnessing-public-places-revision

BoE Letter July 15, 2014 - Witnessing in public places (note last sentence in para 6)

6. Requesting public witnessing equipment: The Congregation Service Committee will determine the equipment to be requested and where it will be stored. Public witnessing equipment can be requested in the same way publications are requested. We are pleased to provide a document entitled Public Witnessing Supplies (S-80) that contains sample pictures and descriptions of standard carts, stands, tables, and kiosks. The equipment will remain the property of the congregation. Care should be taken to request only equipment that will be put to good use by publishers who have been trained in its use. The congregation may be informed that the cost of these carts will be covered by their contributions to the worldwide work.

So, no direct cost, nor any suggested cost provided

That's all folks!

DarK SpilveR

19

A Question

by FedUpJW in

i would appreciate knowing from someone in the know if the goofy carts and rain covers are given to the congregation by the org.

or if the congregation has to pay the org for them.

i am sure i read that somewhere here in my lurking days, but am not finding it at present.. if the congregation is billed for it i intend to use that as a reason for my continued refusal to donate anything from now on.. thanks in advance..

darkspilver

The carts, and replacement parts/repair kits/rain covers/etc, along with other public witnessing equipment, are provided to congregations at no cost as part of the standard literature order/delivery, at least here in the UK.

I do believe that there was a 'suggested donation', which AFAIK was a relatively reasonable amount, when the Trollies where introduced, but this appears to have been dropped now.

BUT

it's probably a bit like your computer printer... (cost of actual printer compared to ink cartridges)

The CAPITAL cost of the Carts almost pales into insignificance with the Carts RUNNING costs.

Running costs? Yeah! The large scale (often sticky-back) posters that need printing

https://publicwitnessingsigns.com

http://jwcartposters.com

http://esignbuilder.com/jwimprintsstore/

http://www.wcanfield.co.uk

That's all folks!

DarK SpilveR

9

Assembly Hall and Gentleman's Club

by sp74bb in

jw
friends

the spanish exjw forum is burning fire with the massive sale of jw kingdom halls and an assembly hall in spain, each week new listing places appears.

would jw survive in this country??

surprisingly the sources have found that a real estate agency named "benialsa" is massively promoting the sales.. http://www.fotocasa.es/inmobiliarias/benialsa-gestion-inmobiliaria-9202753892339.

darkspilver

Hey Gorbatchov!

how's you? I trust you've been checking your old harddrive? yes?

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/282479/history-jw-org-domain

That's all folks!

DarK SpilveR

2

No Munich?

by darkspilver in

hey simon.

you marked the nice attack with a graphic and a few words on the right hand side of the forum - i didn't think you did the same for the recent orlando attack, but i presume you decided to introduce this new box out of a mark of respect going forward following the events in nice.. therefore, i'm wondering why you have appeared not to have done the same following the munich attack?.

sorry, my bad - i think you only last posted 14 hours ago, so you're unlikely to have had time to do it yet, sorry - the 'lastest topics' feature appears to show you posting just a few minutes ago, but that's because you started the topic and somebody else has just replied to it d'oh!

darkspilver

Yeah, I know, that's kinda the point, previously Simon hasn't acknowledged any AFAIK as publicly as the Nice attack.

But now he has and has therefore set some kind of precedent.

And therefore I'm just asking what Simon's criteria is? Maybe it was because he has a connection with the town affected? relatives or ancestors? holiday? friends? maybe it was the size?

I'm just asking, because it can be a problem - you acknowledge one, but not the other - how may that appear to people?

That's all folks!

DarK SpilveR

2

No Munich?

by darkspilver in

hey simon.

you marked the nice attack with a graphic and a few words on the right hand side of the forum - i didn't think you did the same for the recent orlando attack, but i presume you decided to introduce this new box out of a mark of respect going forward following the events in nice.. therefore, i'm wondering why you have appeared not to have done the same following the munich attack?.

sorry, my bad - i think you only last posted 14 hours ago, so you're unlikely to have had time to do it yet, sorry - the 'lastest topics' feature appears to show you posting just a few minutes ago, but that's because you started the topic and somebody else has just replied to it d'oh!

darkspilver

Hey Simon

You marked the Nice attack with a graphic and a few words on the right hand side of the forum - I didn't think you did the same for the recent Orlando attack, but I presume you decided to introduce this new box out of a mark of respect going forward following the events in Nice.

Therefore, I'm wondering why you have appeared not to have done the same following the Munich attack?

Sorry, my bad - I think you only last posted 14 hours ago, so you're unlikely to have had time to do it yet, sorry - the 'lastest topics' feature appears to show you posting just a few minutes ago, but that's because you started the topic and somebody else has just replied to it d'oh! Sorry.

That's all folks!

DarK SpilveR

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/images/republique-francaise.png

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Rumor: Discouraging news from GB at upcoming CA?

by bohm in

jw
friends

this is on the reddit frontpage and sounds super weird.

can it be confirmed in any way by anyone here?.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/4u72dk/what_kind_of_announcement_could_cause_jws_to/.

darkspilver

millie2
nowwhat?
Anything earth shattering would be announced at the annual meeting
So true...that is where we learned about tight pants and colored socks...

Thought that those where from Zone Visits that TM3 made, and not the AGM??

I suspect it is a Coordinator gone rogue - he's seen the videos about hiding and stuff and the armed military police finding them etc, maybe he's aware of some of the fuss surrounding the videos, and therefore feels the need to forewarn his congregation?

That's all folks!

DarK SpilveR

41

Latest UPDATE UK Charity Commission investigation

by Watchtower-Free in

good afternoon,.

i am writing to give you a quick update about our ongoing statutory inquiries into safeguarding and charities linked to jehovah’s witnesses.. as you may know, one of our inquiries is into watch tower bible and tract society of britain.

we opened this inquiry in 2014. watch tower then initiated what turned out to be protracted litigation against us.

darkspilver

This means that there are no more domestic routes of appeal open to Watch Tower."
But wait, the Brexit ends the UK's right to complain.

Interesting

http://echr.coe.int/Pages/home.aspx?p=home

http://www.coe.int/en/

http://europa.eu/index_en.htm

That's all folks!

DarK SpilveR

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Retracted: "Safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in Jehovah’s Witness patients"

by OrphanCrow in

i found a retracted medical study that is cited by the bloodless/blood management world.. i wonder when they will get around to recognizing the retraction in the blood management world.

this study is still being used as a reference - the latest study that cited it was published in 2016.. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/abstract.

notice of retraction the following article from anaesthesia, ‘safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in jehovah’s witness patients’, by el azab sr, vrakking r, verhage [sic] g and rosseel pmj, published online in wiley online library (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/full) on 17 march 2010 and in volume 65, number 4, pages 348-52, has been retracted by agreement between three of the named authors (r vrakking, g verhaegh and pmj rosseel), the journal editor-in-chief, steve yentis, and blackwell publishing ltd. the retraction has been agreed following confirmation by the amphia hospital ethics committee that the study did not have ethical approval as claimed.

darkspilver

I think you're missing the principle here - we're not taking about proactive medical studies (where knowingly treatment may be given or withheld to facilitate the study), but reactive medical studies (ie the study has absolutely no bearing on the treatment being given)

As the former chairwoman of the Royal College of GPs, Dr Clare Gerada, said with regards to anonymous data mining: “If we had had this system 55 years ago, at almost the push of a button we could have identified the link between a medicine commonly prescribed by GPs for morning sickness (Debendox) with catastrophic birth defects a few months later (thalidomide).”

I'll give you the benefit of doubt - if you had read the article I posted, had fully processed it and knew what thalidomide was/is - then you wouldn't have used Frankenstein as an example.

As Dr Gerada said: "There are some things we have to do for the sake of the greater 'we'."

It is perhaps also an example of the 'tyranny of the majority.'

DarK SpilveR

That's all folks!

33

Jesus Knows the Day & Hour Now?

by KillerJones in

i was skimming the july 2016 wt study article and came across a paragraph indicating that, despite scriptural evidence, the governing body indeed feels that god's son now knows the exact day and hour of armageddon.

is this 'new light'?

from the second study article, page 14, pgh 4:.

darkspilver

hmmm ... this forum software seems to resize pictures so they're unreadable

let's try this.....

DarK SpilveR

That's all folks!

darkspilver

Posts by darkspilver

pale.emperorI think a better reason to not donate is that the GB members fly first class on planes (with their wives) at $4,500 a ticket!!

pale.emperor
I think a better reason to not donate is that the GB members fly first class on planes (with their wives) at $4,500 a ticket!!