Posts by berrygerry

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Watchtower teaches that Jesus dying on the stake is no longer certain

by Listener in

the watchtower has held for many years that jesus died on a stake and held strongly to this teaching.

w 1951 3/15 the above agrees with the new world translation of the christian greek scriptures in its appendix, page 769, in saying that the instrument upon which jesus was nailed was a stake without a crossbeam, and not the religiously represented “cross”; and that the greek word used for that instrument in ancient time meant a “stake” and not the conventional religious cross.

they are no longer certain on this point.

berrygerry

I always felt the JWs differ just for the sake of being different in this and other things they teach.

This is the key to most of the practices introduced by Rutherford and Knorr. To be completely different from nominal Christianity, even if there is no basis for it.

As was mentioned, this awesome post was made 12 years ago.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/92381/facts-on-crucifixion-stauros-torture-stake

JWfacts has good pages on the cross, especially the reference to the "ellipses" trick when "quoting" from the Imperial Bible Dictionary, which was used in the Reasoning book. https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/misquotes-deception-lies.php#Cross

Despite the Imperial Bible Dictionary being available for all to view in Google books, WT again pulled off the ellipses trick in the 2011 Watchtower.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2011170?q=imperial+bible+dictionary&p=sen

Maybe they are going to ease off of this one.

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Rick Simmons or Irwin Zalkin- Who should I call

by AbusedandPissed in

hi there i am new to this and want to get some advice.

i think i was abused as a child by someone in a hall in central california a long time ago.

i have been seeing on here for a while, two names keep popping up to get help.

berrygerry

Both.

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Would You Outlaw Jehovah's Witnesses If You Had Your Way?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i still believe in freedom of religion even if i disagree with the beliefsof the religion.

what about you?.

berrygerry

OP asked about beliefs.

Many responses are to practices.

These are the key words considered by the courts.

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Our days are 70 or 80 years

by berrygerry in

interesting article on the change in mankind's life expectancy, as well as potential, especially with regards to research on worms and mice.. http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/no-detectable-limit-to-human-lifespan/wcm/45192f37-db70-4730-a3a7-1e4169ae703a.

berrygerry

Interesting article on the change in mankind's life expectancy, as well as potential, especially with regards to research on worms and mice.

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/no-detectable-limit-to-human-lifespan/wcm/45192f37-db70-4730-a3a7-1e4169ae703a

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My parents found out

by BlackWolf in

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friends

so in my last post i talked about how i had told my younger siblings how i didn't plan to get baptized or ever be a witness.

i thought i could trust them but i guess i was wrong, they're just kids after all.

my oldest brother (who's 11) told on me today.

berrygerry

Stick it out as long as you can. Play the game. The baptism pressure is on for age 12 - too young for most to wake up.

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FFA - 4H - Conscious matter or not allowed?

by Jennifer Lehrer in

i was baptized 4 years ago, i have 2 little girls who love their bunnies, so this year we reached out to 4h and started our own 4h group - this was after asking the elders for counsel.

none provided.

now after doing this for 3 months i am being brought before a judicial committee for neutrality.

berrygerry

Did you check Watchtower Library?

From Wiki:

In the United States, the organization is administered by the National Institute of Food and Agriculture of the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA).

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And when it comes true—and it will come true—they will have to know that a prophet has been among them.

by berrygerry in

a couple of years and the wtbts will consist of a bloke on a tropical beach, drinking coctails and writing the latest wacktower crap on his lap top to be emailed to all congregations for them to print, distribute and then transfer funds to his own personal off shore account!watch and see!.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/158870/brothers-were-living-exciting-times#!#2919592.

berrygerry

A couple of years and the WTBTS will consist of a bloke on a tropical beach, drinking coctails and writing the latest Wacktower crap on his lap top to be emailed to all congregations for them to print, distribute and then transfer funds to his own personal off shore account!
Watch and see!

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/158870/brothers-were-living-exciting-times#!#2919592

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TIL - Russell Purchased His Own News

by berrygerry in

watch tower touts russell's prophesying of 1914 (albeit a tad off as to the true fulfillment).. watch tower refers often to "the world" magazine of august 30, 1914.. quotations from this magazine are: "look out for 1914" and "the terrific war outbreak in europe has fulfilled an extraordinary prophecy".

(box on page 60 in the proclaimers book: “look out for 1914!” when world war i broke out in 1914, “the world,” then a leading newspaper in new york city, stated in its magazine section: “the terrific war outbreak in europe has fulfilled an extraordinary prophecy.

‘look out for 1914!’ has been the cry of the hundreds of travelling evangelists, who, representing this strange creed [associated with russell], have gone up and down the country enunciating the doctrine that ‘the kingdom of god is at hand.’”—“the world magazine,” august 30, 1914.).

berrygerry

Watch Tower touts Russell's prophesying of 1914 (albeit a tad off as to the true fulfillment).

Watch Tower refers often to "The World" magazine of August 30, 1914.

Quotations from this magazine are: "Look out for 1914" and "The terrific war outbreak in Europe has fulfilled an extraordinary prophecy"

(Box on page 60 in The Proclaimers book: “Look Out for 1914!”
When World War I broke out in 1914, “The World,” then a leading newspaper in New York City, stated in its magazine section: “The terrific war outbreak in Europe has fulfilled an extraordinary prophecy. . . . ‘Look out for 1914!’ has been the cry of the hundreds of travelling evangelists, who, representing this strange creed [associated with Russell], have gone up and down the country enunciating the doctrine that ‘the Kingdom of God is at hand.’”—“The World Magazine,” August 30, 1914.)

Turns out that Russell had actually purchased the space in The World as an advertorial.

Interesting video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGN3Ad0hPos

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Kushner paid over 1 billion to WTBTS SO FAR

by nonjwspouse in

in the past few years, kushner cos. and various investment partners have paid the watchtower more than $1 billion for property in brooklyn heights and dumbo.. and there's still more..... http://www.brooklyneagle.com/articles/2017/5/31/first-look-kushner-cos-makeover-jehovahs-witnesses-headquarters.

yet the r&f can't seem to find the presence of logical mind to question where all that money is spent, when members are struggling financially and continuously asked for more, while being chastised for higher education and holding jobs that might interfere with pioneering.

ugh .

berrygerry

I think the GB / WTS are shrewder property investors than the Trumps / Kushners.
Maybe prices have peaked ...

Time will tell.

It is more likely that these were sales forced by monetary needs.

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Kushner paid over 1 billion to WTBTS SO FAR

by nonjwspouse in

in the past few years, kushner cos. and various investment partners have paid the watchtower more than $1 billion for property in brooklyn heights and dumbo.. and there's still more..... http://www.brooklyneagle.com/articles/2017/5/31/first-look-kushner-cos-makeover-jehovahs-witnesses-headquarters.

yet the r&f can't seem to find the presence of logical mind to question where all that money is spent, when members are struggling financially and continuously asked for more, while being chastised for higher education and holding jobs that might interfere with pioneering.

ugh .

berrygerry

It was two billion a year ago.

Recently, Jared and a group of partners acquired several vast properties in Brooklyn from the Jehovah’s Witnesses, for two billion dollars; they are filling them with hip, techie tenants such as Etsy and WeWork.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/08/22/ivanka-trump-and-jared-kushners-power-play