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  The City of Nazareth, and interesting find.

  by Crazyguy in

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  i was watching a video on youtube about chistianity and its founding and it came to my attention that the city of nazareth did not even excist when jesus was said to be alive.

  it was'nt really anything accept a cemetary until about 200 ad.

  so just like the city of goshen were the israelites were said to be from when they left egypt during the exodus, looks like another major flaw in the bible..

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  Nazareth is hard. There was a SITE calle Nazareth... was it a town? I think Math, Mrk and Lk thought it was<< Gentile documents

  John mentions Galilee. That's all. And to be honests his idea that any Pharisee would ever claim a prophe had never come out of Galilee was STUPID.. Ever hear of Jonah? (2 Kings 14:25)

  John (the author) had a bone to pick with Pharisees.

  Many of these Nazareth myths start with Randell's YouTube video... Sorry Jumping over Naigra Falls doesn't qualitfy him to comment on ancient cities...

  I suggest the site became inhabetied after 70 CE when Chritianity really started!
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  Escaping Indoctrination - Faith Isn't a Virtue.

  by cofty in

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  the unknown writer of the gospel of john put the following words in jesus' mouth, "blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.".

  persuading countless generations that it is a virtue to believe incredible things on insufficient evidence, is one of religion's cleverest tricks.. the more incredible the claim; the more flimsy the evidence; the stronger the belief; the greater the virtue.. this is the exact opposite of how we operate in every other aspect of our lives.. rational people must demand objective evidence for everything they are asked to believe.

  "extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence".. leaving the dogmatic claims of the watchtower is only a first step.

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  Faith needs to be based on evidence and if you really need a NT quote how about Hebrew 11:1 - Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. KJV

  ERVs prove creation false so there... I have faith that God didn't make me so if he exists then based on evidence he doesn't care...simple
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  What happened in Christianity ? O.T prophets were male & female ,God was not gender specific,

  by smiddy in

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  according to scripture they could.

  sure in jw land anybody could partake of the emblems and wine , male and female denoting they could be rulers with christ in his heavenly kingdom , however did many of these partakers actually have any say with the governing body ?

  in fact did any of them have any say in their own kingdom halls ?

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  This is a very complicated question.

  Israel and Judah and most other Near Eastern Countries were male dominated. (Egypt was too until Hellinistic times)

  In Israel we have what might be the earliest text of the bible spoken by a woman. (Judges 5) Since Deborah (assuming we can take her song as having some accuracy) was a seer giving oracles under a tree this was hardly a dominating role.

  Hosea's story is complicated but it is likely he married a bad wife.

  Later however Isaiah mentions his wife as being a prophetess. This is VERY complicated. Isaiah chapter 5 actually curses a women ruling oer people. However preaching a message from Yahweh or another god was not objectionable to him. Mind you she might have been a prophetess since she was his wife. Isaiah enjoyed roayl favor having access to the Judean court of Hezekiah freely.

  Later is Huldah and here is where history gets bad. Josiah we are told goes for an oracle from her and she seems to be training others as Yahweh prophets. I find this unhistorical. The message she gives assumes an exile thus this is written into 2 Kings.

  Duing the Exile Ezekiel (assuming we take these oracles to be actually but the historical Ezekiel) alludes to possible murder of his wife in the name of Yahweh and goes through oracles of disgusting (chapter 16) and pornographic (chapter 23) views of women.

  Later in Post-Exilic times women seem to become absent. Zecariah however has a very demeaning vision of a woman in his visions.

  We find many women in Persian and Hellenistic times

  1. Sofia-Wisdom (Sort off)

  2. Sussana and the Elders story

  3. Judith

  However in christian times things changed.

  'Paul' (possibly not a historical person) while acceping women as apostles makes sure the know who is in charge. (Because of the angels lol)

  Later christians demean women's beauty. See 1 Peter.

  However the gospels are actually mosly neutral to women

  I therefore draw conclusions:

  In Israelite/Jewish society:

  Men were on top but women could teach.

  Women could be excellent examples.

  In Second century Christianity:

  Women were below men@!
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  Anyone recall a time when your congregation came to the aid of a Brother or sister in need??

  by jam in

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  i'm not talking about a individual, but a congregation as a whole.. i'm talking about a brother or sister that really hit hard times.. have there ever been an occasion where the brothers (elders).

  decided to dip into the kh funds and help one in need????.

  example, brother loose his job, get evicted, family of four or.

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  Yeah recently. Because I am still in but mentally out and elder gave me some money when my son was vborn because he knew I had to take off almost a week of work during last week. But that is his personal giving and is not what I have seen from the congregation... They are all mostly wondeing when my wife will be back at the hall... She just gave birth you morons...
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  How many have stopped attending at YOUR Kingdumb Hell?

  by hamsterbait in

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  on a recent thread about the fleecing of the sheeples, one poster said their congo was down to 85 publishers from 102.. the last hall i attended had 80-odd publishers 20 years ago, now only 30.. how much of a decline at your kh?.

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  It's funny the KH gets 50 mainstreamers every sunday and maybe 100 on Co visits etc.

  We used to have 3 congregatrions here in english... now it merged to two. A third was added but is is korean and to top it off the sign on our hall was changed to Korean sign. Now only Korean people know this is a 'Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses' LOL
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  Daniel chapter 9

  by Doug Mason in

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  2. bible

  i have scanned daniel chapter 9 as it is rendered in english by the hebrew tanakh (masoretic text - mt) and by the greek septuagint (lxx).. http://www.jwstudies.com/daniel_9_in_mt_and_in_lxx.pdf.

  read verses 24 to 27 carefully.. doug.

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  Ezekiel is very very debated... Some say Ezekiel lived in the 6th centuery in Babylon.. ( I do to BUT...) Many wil note for every comment he makes is 3 or 4 commentaries... some might even relate to the Hellenists. Thus the COMPLETION of Ezekiel I place in the 200s
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  Misquote in the Creation Book

  by ILoveTTATT in

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  my dad came into the jw's because someone studied the "creation" book with him.

  it pains me deeply that he sent me an e-mail recently saying that to keep the peace with my mom, he will stop communicating with me as much as possible.

  i should communicate with him only if i have an emergency.. it upsets me to no end, but i cannot do anything or much about it.

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  The lastest brochure on 'Origins of Life' uses very careful but bogus questions. Showing how complex the DNA is.... Could it happen by chance? No you %^** it couldnt! Obviously it took over a billions year to go from reproducing monomers to DNA... F***ing idiots!
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  WT edit to Wiki

  by Poztate in

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  the gang in brooklyn must be very busy.

  the wt ranks # 29 of all pages on wiki for editing.

  http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/the-100-most-edited-wikipedia-articles/.

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  Alot of witnesses distrust wikepedia... I mean look up 'Genesis' and see what you read. I shows Genesis is mostly 500-300BCE Jewish literture.

  The WT can't have it and a normal JW mind willl put up a wall.

  But the clue is that for every quote is a source which by clicking on the number reveals the quote... often by secualr sources of importance...
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  What is the key to free yourself from the Organization?

  by suavojr in

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  they key to free yourself from the organization is having mental clarity of what is happening in relation to the watchtower, inside and out.

  their basic concept is that they are god's sole organization on earth.

  there really is no basis for anyone to make that statement.

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  For me the orginization was never something to fight with.

  To break free only took knowledge of evolution and archeology. Education. Real educastion is something JW kids lack.
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  Misquote in the Creation Book

  by ILoveTTATT in

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  2. friends

  my dad came into the jw's because someone studied the "creation" book with him.

  it pains me deeply that he sent me an e-mail recently saying that to keep the peace with my mom, he will stop communicating with me as much as possible.

  i should communicate with him only if i have an emergency.. it upsets me to no end, but i cannot do anything or much about it.

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  To clarify I have heard the same exact arguments fro the creation book in Kent Hovind's videos (which are comedy lol)

  This means they used the same creationist source. The WT was using creationist propoganda when they made the creation book.

  To top it off the editor who inserted comments (Franz?) was extremly uneducated because he felt natural selction = chance. Dawkins debunks this publication in his book "The God Delution"