Posts by HowTheBibleWasCreated

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Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster ... Yes it's a REAL church.

by SecretSlaveClass in

now this is a church an athiest would be really happy with.

hilarious!.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/flying_spaghetti_monster.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

This religion his 9 denominations... which one shold I follow.?..it's not a joke anymore when people break it up...

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What made you turn atheist or agnostic?

by LevelThePlayingField in

if you were a jw and are now an atheist or agnostic, what was the tipping point that made you turn to it?.

the reason i ask is i have noticed that many who leave the jw's seem to turn to atheism, versus still having some form of a faith.

have many of you given up on god first or have you had atheistic views first and then found atheism to be true.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

I can answer that.:

1. The bible stories I found out were borrowed from Babylonian and Greek stories

2. ERVs showing a common decent between other great apes and humans

3. Chromosome #2 showing the same as above.

4. Once the above 3 points were in place it was obvious.... we choke on our food, goosebumps, hair on our bodies, male nipples.... No sense if we were disigned.... all explained by evolution.

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The mistranslation of John 8.58

by Wonderment in

john 8.58 is one of those scriptures which translators often mis-translate.. i am aware this text is defended with passion either way by its advocates.

many insist the "i am" rendering found in many versions is correct.

others defend the "i have been" or "i was" readings of other versions.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

The translators of the NWT were well aware of this.... they produced the Kingdom Interlinier which proves John * :58 as 'i am'. but on the right hand coloumn the NWT lies.

The Gospel of John makes Jesus the Logos and the light and thus part of YHWH....

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How confident are you about various so called facts?

by slimboyfat in

no facts about the world are absolutely certain.

that being the case i wonder how others would rank amd rate their confidence in various factual statements about the world.

i am going to rate my confidence in ten items of "knowledge" as a percentage.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

. The earth is a sphere rather than flat in shape. 99.9% Pictures from space....

2. Global warming is a real phenomenon of serious concern that is caused by human activities. 50% I have no doubt it's warming up. But I doubt humans are a major contributer. (Minor yes) We are springing back from the last ice age and also the world was warmer in the 900s no matter what Al Gore claims./

3. Life on Earth evolved its many forms through the process of natural selection. 99.9% Genetics prove that without a shadow of a doubt

4. The gospels are based on a real apocalyptic preacher called Jesus who lived in first century Palestine. 15% No go here. Jesus was invented partly by Philo in the The comcept of a Logos and partly by a break off from the Essenes cult in the concept of a cosmic savior.

5. J F Rutherford was a drunk who cheated on his wife with various women. 90% We have witnesses and i've seen a video.

6. Smoking causes lung cancer. 60% Yes it is a cause. But not every smoker will get it.

7. Men really walked on the moon. 80% Yes most likely. But I can't prove this 100% until a seperate group from NASA returns to the moon.

8. Consciousness survives death.50% Unprovable either way.

9. Moses wrote the Pentateuch.0% To much evidence against that also Moses was invented by Manetho

10. Dragons exists. 100$ Yes but not the mythological kind. Dinosaurs exist (existed)

11. Homeopathy is effective beyond placebo. 1% Yeah some water might help but thats it.

12. O J Simpson was innocent 40% I watched the trial. Either way the evidence rolled and with the prosecution making strupid vouches I used to say he was innocent. Not i'm leaning towards guilty but not completely.

13. Scotland will be an independent country within 20 years. 50% The've have a long time to do this already. Maybe

14. There will be a nuclear war sometime in the 21st century. 60% Maybe

15. The New Testament originally contained the divine name. 0% Half the new testament is Marcionite in orogin and thus YHWH was not the supreme god.

16. At least one of the presidents of the Watchtower was homosexual. 50% Maybe

17. The universe began in a Big Bang around 14 billion years ago. 90% Might be off a few points of millions of years but yes.

18. China is the country with the most people. 97 Yes but India will likely overtake it soon

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Where are you from?

by BeautifulMind in

jw
friends

i know we are all anonymous for our own personal reasons, so i understand if you would rather not say.

but if you don't mind sharing that would be cool.

i currently live in georgia, usa.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

Alot form the west coast of BC. Southern Vancouver Island, Canada here.

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New Bibles on the website

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

i was going through a few websites and isolating text of the 'deuteronimist history' for my channel on youtube today when i opened a tab to jw.org to see if they had actually dome anything in a few days.

to my surprise up popped the new bibles.. no for many year the only one they had was nwt 1984 and as of 2 years ago the rnwt with audio coming in slowly.

(the guys that do ezra are crap and lett ruins mark) a week or two ago they started adding a study bible starting with matthew.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

Mad: I never knew that. I only ever saw the NWT at the Kingdom hall (Except for the library.) I was born in 78 so probably too late

Doug: Friedman tried. He really did. He identified the Yahwist and general duteronomists. I know there are two layers of duteronomist editing. Also Priestly editing finalized it all. I'm working on the earliest version at the moment. (I have already done the Elohist)

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New Bibles on the website

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

i was going through a few websites and isolating text of the 'deuteronimist history' for my channel on youtube today when i opened a tab to jw.org to see if they had actually dome anything in a few days.

to my surprise up popped the new bibles.. no for many year the only one they had was nwt 1984 and as of 2 years ago the rnwt with audio coming in slowly.

(the guys that do ezra are crap and lett ruins mark) a week or two ago they started adding a study bible starting with matthew.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

I was going through a few websites and isolating text of the 'Deuteronimist History' for my channel on YouTube today when I opened a tab to jw.org to see if they had actually dome anything in a few days. To my surprise up popped the new bibles.

No for many year the only one they had was NWT 1984 and as of 2 years ago the RNWT with audio coming in slowly. (The guys that do Ezra are crap and Lett ruins Mark) A week or two ago they started adding a study bible starting with Matthew. Well I like it as a curiousity all the info in it is wrong lol.

Well NOW:

The KJV <<< This will give JWS a shock. The New Testament of this version is very different

The ASV<< Yeah the NWT used this as a base test as does the copyright free WEB. I personaly find it 'basic'

The Bible in Living English <<< Okay I will admist I like this one since it was rare and the WBTS used to be the only publisher (They didn;t translate it)

Ok.....

Why?

What is the point. They did this already on the JW app along with the Kingdom Interlinier 85. Wont this make serious witness bible students find out the NWT is garbage?

Won't younger JWs reading the KJV come up using words like : piss bastard, damn, hell, sodomite?

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Debating evolution, intelligent design and cosmology with a JW

by Thestumbler83 in

ive been having an email exchange with a jw family member and the discussion seem to have become a bit heated and im not quite sure why.

i dont think ive said anything obviously offensive and ive been very careful with my wording.

but i think im sometimes a bit tone deaf with these things.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

Show him ERVSs and Chromosome #2

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NWT is soooo inaccurate....

by iwasblind in

hi this is for the lurkers.. please start reading from another translation and use tools like www.biblehub.com to verify the differences you find.. biblehub has an interlinear and a strongs concordance and heaps of dictionaries and commentaries.. you don't have to be a translator but you can clearly see how the watchtower bible and tract society has changed the bible to devalue jesus, to support their idea of a paradise earth hope for christians and many other false doctrines.. i could never understand why the jw's where attacked when they chose to translate the bible - now i know.. seriously people, there are a lot smarter people than me on this forum and heaps of research.

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don't be afraid of the truth!.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

jhine I'm not pro NWT. The points i'm making is there is alot of inaccurate posts on this thread I am trying to clear up.

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NWT is soooo inaccurate....

by iwasblind in

hi this is for the lurkers.. please start reading from another translation and use tools like www.biblehub.com to verify the differences you find.. biblehub has an interlinear and a strongs concordance and heaps of dictionaries and commentaries.. you don't have to be a translator but you can clearly see how the watchtower bible and tract society has changed the bible to devalue jesus, to support their idea of a paradise earth hope for christians and many other false doctrines.. i could never understand why the jw's where attacked when they chose to translate the bible - now i know.. seriously people, there are a lot smarter people than me on this forum and heaps of research.

.

don't be afraid of the truth!.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

Several myths here:

1. The NWT is NOT the only bible to use yhwh in the NT.

Compare:

The Scriptures 1998

Messianic Israel Standerd Bible

American English Bible 2001

Although a valid point is that the name YHWH does not occur in any of the manuscripts we have. In fact Paul's letters first turn up in a gnostic religion called Marcionism which said YHWH was not Jesus father.

2. The NWT is the only bible I know to read Job 6:6 the way it does.

3. The insertation of 'other' in the NT from 1950 to 2006 had brackets and one could see it was not in the original text. (Removed in the RNWT 2013 and NWT 2006)

4. "At the end of 1st century there was apprx. 1 million of Christians spread across the whole Roman world."

FALSE!

Maybe a few Ebonites and Jewish Christians but certainly not a million. More like a few thousand,.

Tacitus mention is based on a bad historian he is quoting which is acknowledged by many today.