OneEyedJoe

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  what WAS the 'buisness' at the buisness meeting??

  by sowhatnow in

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  it sounds more like a we want to get into your buisness , buisness meeting .

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  Technically it's called a branch visit... Not sure where this business meeting stuff came from, I never heard it called that outside of this forum.
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  WT recent public news release showing emergency support for MEMBERS only.....“

  by EndofMysteries in

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  under news alerts on the borg website, i noticed 2 stories, 1 about the bus crash in honduras, and it's interesting that it seems that non jw agencies have helped out when you see this statement...."we appreciate the outpouring of support from the community and the various agencies that have come to the aid of those affected by this tragedy.

  so on this instance, it seems the wt welcomes aid from outside sources.

  now the 2nd story, is about the hurricane in mexico, and we have this statement...."in the aftermath of hurricane odile, which hit the coast of baja california sur on monday, september 15, 2014, jehovahs witnesses from the surrounding area provided food, water, and medicine to their members affected by the storm.

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  Sorta like how members can use products derived from donated blood, but they cannot fixate blood themselves.
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  Thank Jehovah for Ipads!

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  seriously, i am so thankful that the org has officially allowed the use of ipads and tablets at the kingdom hall!.

  it is the only thing that keeps me sane while sitting there....being able to log on to this site while pretending to follow along with the program!.

  i think i would have literally lost my mind without this lifeline!.

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  OneEyedJoe

  I'll give an Amen to that.

  I usually end up on mic duty, so it's not too hard to screw around in the back while they're reading.
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  Zone Visit feedback, from ones still in??

  by Crazyguy in

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  just wondering if any one has heard from ones still asleep, what their feedback has been and what comments have been made by the rank and file??.

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  OneEyedJoe

  I think he was referring to one (or more) of the other speakers besides herd and AMIII. There was at least one speaker that was introduced as being a "Helper to the governing body"
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  i have a theory about the long term doctrine of wt!

  by purrpurr in

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  i can see no reason why the gb would want to loosen their grip on their cash cow/ cushy life.

  but what will they do in 20,30,50 years?

  well i suspect that at some point they will claim that the promised paradise is already here but that it has come in spirtual form.

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  Personally, I suspect they'll just keep kicking the can down the road with new definitions of "generation" and new start points for the generation. If the paradise is already here, people won't be motivated to preach about it's coming and they won't have the imminent threat of armageddon to keep 'em active if it's already come.

  Even if you're thinking they'll switch to saying everyone goes to heaven (which I can't see happening, but who knows) people will slow down. If you have to die to get to paradise/heaven, then that means you should plan for a long life in this system, which means working, saving for retirement, education, etc - all these things will make people slightly more likely to wake up and leave the cult.

  Though, I will admit, they have been saying that we live in a "spiritual paradise" for a while - when we're close to the congregation
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  Zone Visit feedback, from ones still in??

  by Crazyguy in

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  just wondering if any one has heard from ones still asleep, what their feedback has been and what comments have been made by the rank and file??.

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  OneEyedJoe

  Can someone confirm this:

  The JWs were told to not record the talk or take notes?

  I won't claim this to be verbatim but we were told:

  No flash photogrophy, don't block the aisles to take pictures without flash (or something like that)

  No recordings are to be made

  You should not stream any audio or video of the event to another location

  Though you may use some of the points mentioned in the talks to encourage others, you should not share any of your notes with anyone.

  This was without a doubt the most comprehensive and paranoid sounding disclaimer at the beginning of a talk. I'm used to the stuff about not posting video online at the conventions, but this was well beyond that. I may even be leaving out something in there.
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  Armageddon will be here in less than 4 years!

  by hoser in

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  that's the word according to my mil.

  mrs hoser is starting a new career and the college and work training will take her four years to complete.

  her mom is giving her a hard time telling her that the system will be over before she graduates.

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  It's hard to make out the mentality of people who repeat these "prophecies" when they have a history of failed claims behind them. Do they really believe it themselves or is it just a coded way to express their frustrations or fears at other people's choices?

  For me, I never really believed it, but I would find myself saying it just because that's just what you say. I was taught how to interact by JWs and when someone says X is 6 years away, you just have to say "if this system lasts that long." Its sorta like the JW version of please and thankyou. You just say it out of habit at a certain point - especially if you're socially awkward like me and looking for a formulaic way to interact with people.
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  Armageddon will be here in less than 4 years!

  by hoser in

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  that's the word according to my mil.

  mrs hoser is starting a new career and the college and work training will take her four years to complete.

  her mom is giving her a hard time telling her that the system will be over before she graduates.

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  I remember once my (very judgmental) JW mother going off about a young sister in our congregation that wanted to be a doctor. She just couldn't understand how someone could go to school to be a doctor, and invest 8 years in schooling before you could even start practicing. Armageddon would surely come before she had the chance to be a doctor, and we wouldn't even need doctors in the new system. That was 15 years ago. I guess that schooling wasn't so ill-advised.

  Meanwhile my hypocrit mother now has a masters degree. I guess armageddon wasn't so imminent that she couldn't go to school to be financially stable.
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  "Opinions about dress and grooming..."

  by leaving_quietly in

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  from the july 15, 2014 watchtower, page 15. par.

  "opinions about dress and grooming, health and nutrition, and other personal matters may also trigger controversy.

  accordingly, if no scriptural principle is being violated, jehovah's people wisely abstain from arguing over such matters, "for a slave of the lord does not need to fight, but needs to be gentle [tactful, ftn.

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  I'm sorry, I just realized I'd been wildly ambiguous. When I said the scripture in timothy I was referring to 2 Tim. 2:24 (from the OP).

  I would have had no issue if he had read the verse, then said something like: "Some have observed some of our brothers and sisters wearing clothing that is a little too tight or too revealing. Perhaps we should evaluate what we're wearing to see that it's modest and appropriate before we leave our homes." And leave it at that. Let people's own consciences guide them.

  This, 100%. The problem is if you let people excercise their conscience, it'll get stronger and they'll start using it on other things like blood, shunning, reporting serve-us time, etc etc until they start excercising their conscience by not contributing money to a corrupt organization - that's when it becomes a BIG problem.
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  "Opinions about dress and grooming..."

  by leaving_quietly in

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  from the july 15, 2014 watchtower, page 15. par.

  "opinions about dress and grooming, health and nutrition, and other personal matters may also trigger controversy.

  accordingly, if no scriptural principle is being violated, jehovah's people wisely abstain from arguing over such matters, "for a slave of the lord does not need to fight, but needs to be gentle [tactful, ftn.

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  Oh no, he read 1 Timothy 2:9 before his diatribe.

  Did he? Wow, I must've missed that. So while they're reading scriptures that directly conflicts with what follows, does this mean that they're going to start reading Matt. 9:13 before a discussion on blood transfusions?