OneEyedJoe

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  PBS program

  by wannaexit in

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  watching the pbs program as i write...........

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  OneEyedJoe

  I've got it set to record, but I might not watch it....I'm not sure I'm really in the mood to be depressed and angry.
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  The Watchtower logically prefers everyone that knows TTATT to disfellowship themselves

  by enigma1863 in

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  2. scandals

  every active jw that stays in hiding their knowledge about ttatt is a hole in the watchtower wall.

  i propose those who can stay in, should, especially if they have high positions.

  how else can we know what they are up to?

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  OneEyedJoe

  While I get what you're driving at, I suspect that there will always be enough people that are in the process of waking up so that we'll always have leaks for the near future. I can't imagine encouraging someone to be so selfless that they stay in a cult merely to inform others of the goings-on if they aren't otherwise stuck in for the time being. Additionally, I would struggle with the moral implications of providing tacit endorsement to the cult by the prolonged presence inside the cult. You never know what other person in the cult might be looking up to you thinking "well if it makes enough sense to him that he's staying, I guess I'll stay too."
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  How to wake up and reverse the trance???

  by J-DUBBED in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how do you wake up someone taken from us by these screwed up people?.

  our son was hooked by a jw at the age of 25. within 3 months they were married and we never even new about it.

  he is now 29 and has nothing to do with his family(except his sister the odd time, when he needs something) of any freinds.. we are lost and have been for four years.. .

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  OneEyedJoe

  I wish I knew what those were.
  

  I was feeling generous so I did the legwork for ya

  All quotes are from the JW abomination of a "bible"

  Ephesians 6:2,3, in reference to the command found in Exodus 20:12 and Deuteronomy 5:16.

  “Honor your father and your mother” is the first command with a promise: “That it may go well with you and you may remain a long time on the earth.”
  

  Matthew 19:17-19
  

  He said to him: “Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If, though, you want to enter into life, observe the commandments continually.” 18 He said to him: “Which ones?” Jesus said: “You must not murder, you must not commit adultery, you must not steal, you must not bear false witness, 19 honor your father and your mother, and you must love your neighbor as yourself.”
  

  If you show that one to him, you can give it a little extra power by suggesting that it's significant that showing honor to one's parents was mentioned in the same breath as murder (this is a line of reasoning that JWs often use to increase the importance of relatively minor commands)

  Romans 1:28-32

  Just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them over to a disapproved mental state, to do the things not fitting. And they were filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, and badness, being full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice, being whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, schemers of what is harmful, disobedient to parents, without understanding, false to agreements, having no natural affection, and merciless. Although these know full well the righteous decree of God—that those practicing such things are deserving of death—they not only keep on doing them but also approve of those practicing them.
  

  2 Timothy 3:1-7

  But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having an appearance of godliness but proving false to its power; and from these turn away.
  

  Again, in these verses having no natural affection is grouped with some other pretty bad stuff. Of course JWs are trained to recognize these verses as applying only to "worldly" people, so it might be a little difficult to make your point with them.
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  "Whilst the bible is important, the Watchtower is God's main way of communicating with people today"

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  yes, i'm not kidding!.

  this gem was stated today in the talk!

  (shortly before i walked out).

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  OneEyedJoe

  Jesus. No wonder you walked out.

  Almost makes me wonder if the elder giving the talk disagrees with that point if he felt the need to wash his hands of it by making it clear that it was verbatim in the outline.
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  Witness hypocrisy regarding politicians and their failed promises!

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. beliefs

  you know it dawned on me that witnesses and indeed the gb love to highlight how political leaders and groups can never be trusted to keep their promises, and often change their ideas, policies and platforms as time goes on...once they have already gained the power from the people.. hmmm.....sound familiar???.

  this is blatant hypocrisy!.

  the org has gained "power and control", then countless times failed to keep its "policies or promises or platform teachings" as time moves on.

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  OneEyedJoe

  Politicians can be voted out but they will simply be replaced by others who will act the same. Those who seek power in any field are those you can least trust for any reason.

  “The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them. To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.” ― Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
  
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  Witness hypocrisy regarding politicians and their failed promises!

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  you know it dawned on me that witnesses and indeed the gb love to highlight how political leaders and groups can never be trusted to keep their promises, and often change their ideas, policies and platforms as time goes on...once they have already gained the power from the people.. hmmm.....sound familiar???.

  this is blatant hypocrisy!.

  the org has gained "power and control", then countless times failed to keep its "policies or promises or platform teachings" as time moves on.

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  OneEyedJoe

  I hadn't thought about that angle. That's good. Thankyou.
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  New Caleb video uses fearmongering on children

  by Jonathan Drake in

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  2. friends

  check it out.

  literally the message is if you don't pay attention at the meetings you could die.

  how insane, i feel like this must wake some people up..

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  OneEyedJoe

  I thought God was greater than that. Than caring if someone doesnt pay enough attenttion on meetings.
  

  You're thinking of the god of Christianity.  Jehovah is petty and vindictive.
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  "in" Family driving me crazy on social media

  by freemindfade in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  does any other fader who maintains a minimal connection to preserve family ties have this issue:.

  i post something on ig, facebook whatever.

  and from my super zealous family i get preachy posts.

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  OneEyedJoe

  This (among other reasons) is why I don't facebook.  
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  Is the preaching work, no longer the number 1 priority?

  by ToesUp in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been observing a pattern in recent wtbs publications and events.

  is the importance of the preaching activity no longer the number 1 priority?

  are not billions of lives still at stake?.

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  OneEyedJoe

  Advertise the website and donate. That's all they need to know.
  

  And provide free labor for real estate development.

  The preaching work is a relic of when it was actually profitable.  Tax law changes screwed them over a bit on that, and I think the JW culture is shifting to the point where most going d2d don't remember the days of asking for money so they're uncomfortable asking for donations.  The magazines are so cheap and flimsy and come in bountiful supply, so most probably don't even factor that in when they donate.  

  If this cult is still around in 20 years, I wouldn't be surprised if they phased it out altogether and replaced it with the important work of building kingdom halls.  That's a big change so it'll take time so no one will notice, but they're already on their way with the website and the carts.
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  An anthropologist visits a JW community in Santa María Zapotitlán, Mexico

  by OrphanCrow in

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  2. beliefs

  dr. jena barchas-lichtenstein is an anthropologist who received her doctorate through ucla.. https://www.linkedin.com/pub/jena-barchas-lichtenstein/43/427/702.

  in 2013, barchas-lichtenstein submitted the paper "when the dead are resurrected, how are we going to speak to them?

  ": jehovah's witnesses and the use of indigenous languages in the globalizing textual community as a partial submission for her doctoral dissertation..

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  OneEyedJoe

  I can't find the quote yet, but the WTS has said that the earthly resurrection will start with the first people who died working back in time so there will be people who speak their language and are from their time, family, etc.
  

  I remember this as well, but I believe it was heavily qualified with things like "likely" "evidently" "we might expect" type stuff.  I think it was primarily based on the "god not of disorder but of peace" scripture.  It was basically idle speculation.