OneEyedJoe

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  What started me on the path to waking up about the lies the WT teaches?

  by oppostate in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it was a simple question: isn't jesus my "mediator" if i put faith in him like the scriptures say?

  the research to that answer, from the w79 4/1 p. 31, was mind blowing.

  how dare they deny me a belief firmly stated in the scriptures?

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  OneEyedJoe

  The overlapping generation got me started and the misquotes in the creation book solidified my doubts.
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  Vacation Time! Going To A Regional?

  by millie210 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is the first year i have not been at a summer assembly.. the friends here locally just got back from the regional in our area.. they mostly took their vacation time from work to attend.. while they were gone i had an epiphany...... why is it that the rank and file take their summer vacation time to attend an assembly (we have all heard this hammered in from the platform) whereas the governing body attend as part of their "work".. it cant be as simple as "well, they are giving talks" because there are many brothers that give talks from the rank and file also who have used up precious vacation hours and drug their entire family there plus give their parts.. or what about other brothers and sisters who volunteer and clean at the assembly.

  on vacation.. so the pubs.

  travel at their own expense, pay for their own rooms and food, and give parts and it is supposed to be viewed as their vacation.. the gb and c.o.s travel to the same assembly and stay in provided for accomadations, give a talk or two and they are "working".. what is that about?.

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  OneEyedJoe

  To be fair, the life of a GB member is pretty much a non-stop vacation of living on manicured grounds (that they neither mow nor pay for) with all their needs met and plenty of trips to scenic locations world-wide. In comparison, trudging through 3 days of a convention is definitely hard work.
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  Why Child Baptisms Are Invalid Using WT Logic

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when i was baptized as a child i remember quite well that there were six steps that one must take before getting baptized.

  i recently looked up some articles on this subject on jw.org and the latest article says there are 9 steps.

  they now include field service and going to the meetings as steps.

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  OneEyedJoe

  No, you've got it all wrong getting Married is no big deal but getting a driver's license is a very important decision.
  

  If they'd let kids wait until they were 16, it would be a vast improvement. Most of the baptisms that I've seen lately have been well under that age, some as young as 7. It seems that 16 is being put forth as the MAXIMUM age that a child should reach before getting baptized.
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  Why Child Baptisms Are Invalid Using WT Logic

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when i was baptized as a child i remember quite well that there were six steps that one must take before getting baptized.

  i recently looked up some articles on this subject on jw.org and the latest article says there are 9 steps.

  they now include field service and going to the meetings as steps.

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  OneEyedJoe

  Using their logic on birthdays (they're evil because people died in both biblical accounts of birthdays) no one should be baptized at any age below 30 because that's the only known age of someone that was baptized.
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  Why is shunning unloveing

  by poopie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  please give reasons for all the lurkers.

  and why does shunning show the same attitude as the pharisees?

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  OneEyedJoe

  Taken from the watchtower's own words: http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/g201306/the-silent-treatment/

  "when it is used as a means to retaliate or manipulate, the silent treatment not only prolongs conflict but also erodes [...] respect"

  The silent treatment between spouses is directly condemned by the article as unloving, unproductive, retaliatory and manipulative. Just because you might not be married to someone doesn't make this behavior any better or somehow loving all of a sudden. In fact, I would argue that participating in the systematic and indefinite "silent treatment" of shunning is far worse than giving a spouse the silent treatment for a few days.
  
  
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  REQUEST: Video Links for this year's RC Dramas

  by Oubliette in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  does anyone have the links for this year's rc videos?

  i'm especially interested in the video drama about the jw woman that married an upbaptized man.

  i have a couple of friends in similar situations--wife in, they're not--and the wives still attend.

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  OneEyedJoe

  Cappytan - I'm having trouble viewing that on the jw.org link you provided. They've got amazing security - it asked me if I'd already attended the convention and when I said no it wouldn't let me in! Whatever will I do?
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  Caleb's Logic - Do the math

  by Esse quam videri in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the scene is the kitchen table where we find calebs dad and mom in conversation.

  dad - a letter?

  mom so we are going to write a letter to everyone we know and ask them to give us some of their money, so that we have as much money coming in as is going out.

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  OneEyedJoe

  Ha, that is a great point - they never actually said that they didn't have enough money to foot the bill, just that they weren't maintaining equilibrium. Considering that they have some huge temporary costs, that's nothing to act surprised about. They just wanted to manipulate the situation to make it seem like they're facing insolvency to get a little more cash out of it.
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  Are JWs trying to make dysfunctional kids and destroy their ability to live normal lives?

  by C0ntr013r in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  are jws trying to make dysfunctional kids that wont "fit" in normal society so they will "return to jehovah"?

  because there have been many stories about young people who have been out in the world only to find how bad it was and how correct the org was.. a good jw kid with "good" jw parents will have many big issues, some examples:.

  fear of demons (fear, misfit).

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  OneEyedJoe

  Yes, the system is absolutely designed to isolate JWs from the world at large. Who needs a real cult-compound with real walls when you can train the cultists to put up walls between themselves and normal people on their own? I would also add to the list the use of loaded language - this constantly reminds a JW that they're different from the people they talk to - any time they hear the words "mass" "church" "pastor" "deacon" "father" etc it serves as a reminder that these people are worldly and they're not like me. It also makes them uncomfortable in normal conversations when they talk about where they were tuesday night - they either have to use the repulsive word "church" or they have to explain what a meeting or a kingdom hall is. Every aspect of the cult is designed to create drones that are so isolated from normal people that they can never fathom becoming a normal person.
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  Education Level of GB

  by The_Doctor10 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  after seeing so many topics about the stupidity of the gb, just got me wondering, anyone know the secular education levels of the gb?

  are they high school level religious zealots or are they college educated manipulators?

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  OneEyedJoe

  I think it's pretty clear that they're making it up as they go. The events of the last few years haven't exactly looked like the fruits of long-term planning or deep thought. It's all reactionary, and most of it is more or less unrestrained reaction.

  As for "twisting of historical events to fit Biblical prophecy" I don't think there's been any of that since freddie the oracle died. Lately it's all been about obeying with no evidence, faith, guilt, and emotional manipulation. The pseudo-intellectual stuff is all gone.

  Not that any of that helps you determine their educational level. I'd be surprised if any had been to college, though.
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  Is it true because it is on the internet?

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so, we've already kind of had the discussion about the 10/15/2015 study edition of the watchtower, especially the article entitled "the naive person believes every word.".

  but one thing i noticed about this article...the web address and html code has a different title.. the html title is "is it true because it is on the internet?".

  the web address is: http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20151015/true-because-it-is-on-internet/.

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  OneEyedJoe

  I definitely firmly reject any slanderous information against JWs that I find online. Unfortunately for them, there's not an abundance of slander - most of it is true and firmly backed up with facts.