They think god is backing them and they can't lose. Who would "play ball" under those circumstances? I think there really waiting for their god to bail them out and if they give up it would betray a lack of faith.
OneEyedJoe
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Question time
by Sabin inwith all the evidence stacked against them on child abuse issues, why do you think they are still refusing to play ball with the authorities?
why not put their hands up & say "we got a problem, we need help to change our medieval policies, we need advise on how to conduct our affairs in away that is in the victims best interests".. do you think that it is blatant, selfish pride.
the risk of losing money & struggling as a consequence, or they truly believe that jehovah is protecting them & by admitting they have acted in this inconceivable way would bring reproach on his name?.
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2015 Worldwide Memorial Attendance: Another Sign of Decline
by steve2 injw memorial attendance last year - 2014 - was about 50,000 shy of 20 million.
some posters on this forum had confidently predicted before the 2014 memorial that attendance would hit more than 20 milion.
they were wrong.. now, in 2015, and the memorial falling on a weekend night (where attendance is historically much higher), attendance has not only failed to top 20 milion but has declined by more than 87,000 in attendance over 2014:.
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OneEyedJoe
I would think it is the other way around, as the one showing up at the Memorial and rarely at other times, the so-called "cousins" or "submarines" are away on holidays or at least weekend trips during Easter and therefore do not attend the Memorial, but they do when it falls on a mid-week night.
I don't think most people who are going just to show their face (or those that still believe but can't force themselves to go to regular meetings) would skip because it's on the weekend...I think most are more likely to skip if it's during the week and they're tired from work and have to get up early the next day.
Additionally, with their big campaigns to put out invitations, they probably get a few people interested and the closer the memorial is to good friday/easter, the more it seems like just another church to go to for a special mass and they're more likely to have walk-ins on those days. Whereas most normal people probably aren't going to bother going to some new church in the middle of the week when they are tired and have to get up early the next day.
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Hypocrisy of JW Thinking After Tragedy Like Paris
by freemindfade init never has ceased to boggle my mind how twisted up jw thinking is.
when they see something like what happened in paris, in person they will express how sad and detestable it is quickly followed by "this is why we need the kingdom, and the desert god is gonna fix everything.
" here is where i get perplexed.
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What is the org’s view on extraterrestrial life?
by My Name is of No Consequence ini am sure that it has been discussed before.
but just out of curiosity, what is the orgs view on extraterrestrial life?
the org certainly agrees that the universe is infinitely large.
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OneEyedJoe
They wouldn't concede that life could evolve anywhere, so saying that there might be life elsewhere would require that they admit that Jehovah created life on other planets. Since the bible says he does nothing without letting his prophets know, they're not likely to admit that possibility.
They're also incredibly adept at ignoring evidence of terrestrial life, instead insisting that we just appeared here 6000 years ago. I suspect that if ET life is ever discovered, they'll simply refuse to acknowledge it and will, at best, publish articles full of logical flaws that don't address the actual evidence but instead suggest that any evidence found was the result of misconduct or insufficient rigor on the part of the scientists.
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1914—The Turning Point in History - Really?
by berrygerry in1914the turning point in history.
30 from the human standpoint, the world troubles and global wars foretold in the bible were far from the thinking of the pre-1914 world.
german statesman konrad adenauer said: thoughts and pictures come to my mind, .
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OneEyedJoe
They just love to play both sides of things. Leading up to 1914, they surely published lots of quotes about how bad things were and how we couldn't make it past 1914. There were many people at the time predicting that a huge war would break out in the mid 1910s. Of course there's always people on both sides of any issue, so cherry-picking quotes in order to paint a false consensus isn't difficult to do at all, but it's all anecdotal.
Just imagine, if WWIII had broken out in 1975, they'd probably be saying something similar - that they predicted a turning point that no one else saw coming. Meanwhile, their publications pre-1975 would still be riddled with quotes saying how things couldn't possibly make it past the mid 1970s.
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Warwick Project Update Email
by wifibandit infwd from anon:.
dear brothers,.
we are happy to provide you with a brief progress update on the warwick project and explain how you can assist with a major adjustment recently approved in our construction schedule.
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OneEyedJoe
So far the plausible explanations seem to be:
- Someone royally screwed up the planning.
- There's some financial incentive for them to move out of the other properties sooner.
- They're planning something for the AGM that necessitates them being in their new cult compound.
Am I missing any?
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Warwick Project Update Email
by wifibandit infwd from anon:.
dear brothers,.
we are happy to provide you with a brief progress update on the warwick project and explain how you can assist with a major adjustment recently approved in our construction schedule.
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OneEyedJoe
can you explain that management triangle you mentioned?
It's what Stealth was alluding too as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_management_triangle
Often summarized as Stealth said. You have 3 components to how a project turns out that are in conflict with each other. You have the scope (how much work you're going to do, and how good the quality will be), the timeline, and the cost. You can't optimize all 3 and if you make changes to one it will affect one of the other two, or both. If you want to make a project cheaper, generally speaking you let it take longer or you reduce scope/quality. Since they're doing the opposite (or at least they're not admitting to changing the scope or quality) then it makes me very suspicious of their statement.
Sometimes large constructions like these have additional costs than just materials and labor. Sometimes permits and concessions expire. There are conditions to development that must be met with work or money. If you don't finish, you pay. There was a case I remember where the watchtower bought land for development. The city approved the development and gave incentives. One was having to make some donation or purchase for the local fire department (if memory serves me well). The real state agency that managed the sale had a clause that said that the org had a number of years to develop the property. If the development was canceled by the org and they wanted to sort of "return" the property, they had to pay a huge sum of money on fines.
So sometimes accelerating the job may cost more in personnel but a lot less in red tape.
I thought about this, but dismissed it because I figured that the original plan would've already been laid out such that inspections, permits, etc were all arranged and timed correctly to avoid any fees and unnecessary costs. Assuming someone didn't botch the planning, would a shorter timeline actually save money normally? While I've had a little exposure to construction, I'm not super familiar and certainly nothing on this scale.
I guess you are saving some money by moving up the completion date by 3 months. They feed all the workers right? Saving 3 months food costs, that's saving something. Other than that, off the top of my head I can't think how it saves them money.
Any savings on food cost would be minuscule unless they've actually reduced the amount of work that will need to be done (i.e. don't build one of the dorms or something). Assuming they're keeping the project scope the same, the only way they save money on food is if there's less waste because they're feeding more people. To get the job done faster, they'll have to bring in more people, so they're feeding people for 4 months less time but they're feeding more people and it balances out.
In most cases, bringing the schedule in (especially in cases like this where there was already a fully developed plan) by throwing more people at it usually results in an increase in total person-hours required to finish the job. The more people you add the more overhead there is in coordinating them, and the more they're stepping on each other's toes and the more you have problems with the right people getting the right information at the right time. That's a big reason that, generally speaking, reducing a project's schedule increases it's cost.
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Warwick Project Update Email
by wifibandit infwd from anon:.
dear brothers,.
we are happy to provide you with a brief progress update on the warwick project and explain how you can assist with a major adjustment recently approved in our construction schedule.
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OneEyedJoe
This seems to support my suspicion when it was first reported here that warwick would be finishing early. It doesn't look like they're actually ahead of schedule, but they're just moving the goal deadline. It'll be interesting to see how that pans out. Will it be viewed as god taking his blessing away if they miss their date or will it be just an adjustment from the GB "In order to make the best use of dedicated funds" again?
How does moving up the deadline help to "make the best use of dedicated funds"?
This was what I was wondering myself. The project management triangle dictates that pulling in the schedule must be countered by a greater reduction in project scope/quality in order for their to be a reduction in cost. A shorter timeline won't reduce project cost in and of itself, even if they are cheating and using unpaid labor. My hunch is that they're eyeballing the potential cash from the properties they can sell once they move out. They must really need the money if they're changing plans so drastically just to be able to sell some property 4 months earlier.
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What I would like to see soon!
by John Aquila ini would like to see one or better two members of the governing body get disfellowshipped and they both go off to write books like ray franz exposing the cult to all the sexual scandals, the hidden agendas with the stock market investments, the lawsuits, the laying of long time bethel workers, hidden sins by the higher ups and all the other nasty skeletons in the watchtower closet..
what would be different today compared to rays time is that we now live in a social media world..
they would be invited to talk in the oprah winfrey show, ellen degeneres show, the view, dateline.
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OneEyedJoe
If a GB member was paid for their defection, it would invalidate the whole thing for most anyone. The comparison would be immediately made to Judas and most JWs would completely ignore anything they say at that point. I know I would have even while I was severely doubting the cult. -
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Why are projects being shut down? Nu-light speculation....
by DATA-DOG ini went to the meeting last night.
to keep the peace for now, i guess.
anyway...... during the bible highlights, a newly appointed ms explained why construction is being curtailed in some areas.
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OneEyedJoe
They take every other scripture out of context to support their little cult, why not this? It actually fits pretty well - David built a house for himself first, then was told not to bother with the temple. The GB are certainly focusing on building their own house in warwick and not worrying so much about anything else.