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  Today's WT study (10/12/14) - a sales seminar!

  by OneEyedJoe in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this cult is getting really shameless.

  the wt study was always supposed to be for discussion of 'the deep truths' of the bible.

  the wt may have always been filled with utter nonsense, but at least it had the appearance of a topical discussion of bible doctrine.

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  OneEyedJoe

  Yeah , that's a great observation...I get the same feeling too. Many on JWN have theorized that they're going to get rid of the watchtower for the public, and just use the awakes due to all the baggage the WT name caries publicly. It looks like they may have stumbled upon an even better solution by replacing the magazines with tracts.

  They're tiny and therefore way cheaper, they have NO brand name at all (many would still recognize the awake even if its without the WT) so the hh has no idea who they're dealing with till they scan the qr code.

  Now the r/f won't have to come up with a new presentation every month, just use the same presentation for every tract - they're oh-so-proud of the fact that all the tracts use the exact same presentation.
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  Today's WT study (10/12/14) - a sales seminar!

  by OneEyedJoe in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this cult is getting really shameless.

  the wt study was always supposed to be for discussion of 'the deep truths' of the bible.

  the wt may have always been filled with utter nonsense, but at least it had the appearance of a topical discussion of bible doctrine.

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  This cult is getting really shameless. The WT study was always supposed to be for discussion of 'the deep truths' of the bible. The WT may have always been filled with utter nonsense, but at least it had the appearance of a topical discussion of bible doctrine. Today is the first time that I've ever seen the WT study turn into a sales meeting.

  From paragraph 7 onwards it's all about how to use the new tracts to indoctrinate people. One recommended presentation is quite bold, they say to ask the question on the cover, then upon receiving an answer you should open the tract while saying "here's what the bible says." The article says to have a bible in your hand when preaching, but only read from the tract when you need to find out "what the bible says"

  They've always been pretty shameless about the service meeting being a sales seminar, but at least they (more or less)called a spade a spade. This is just ridiculous doing this in the WT study. Am I right that this is a first, or was I just not paying attention before I woke up to ttatt?

  There have been some gems in the comments though. My favorite so far:"its so easy - we don't even have think!" To which the conductor replied - "and thats a good thing, isn't it! . I couldn't make this crap up!
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  Letts shows up noo "generation" teaching

  by hamsterbait in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in his preesentation, he speaks to "you the young ones".

  "you are the next generation of " adult witnesses.

  this one sentence using generation in the normal way, at a stroke, shows they just made up the overlapping teaching to get themselves out of a hole.. .

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  OneEyedJoe

  I haven't the stomach to watch it, but if he really says that, isn't he admitting that the "overlap" is false? If the current overlapping generation is true, surely this system can't possibly last long enough for them to be adult witnesses.
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  Let's suggest some programs for tv.jw.org

  by rebel8 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  weekday afternoons: a soap opera featuring judicial committees, demon possessions, and wives clamoring to be the ones who host the circuit overseer's lunch.

  saturday mornings: sparlock cartoon.

  friday evenings: reality show featuring jw dating.

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  OneEyedJoe

  What about an after school special? They could do an episode about keeping quiet after you're molested by an elder so that you don't bring reproach on Jehovah's name. That would be a great practical lesson for the youngsters.
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  How many of the GB helpers are "anointed"?

  by Nostromo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  according to this list there are 29 helpers at the moment: https://jwleaks.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/jehovahs-witnesses-governing-body-committees.jpg.

  i wonder how many of these are "anointed"?

  all the current seven gb members were helpers first and then appointed to be gb members.

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  OneEyedJoe

  yeah, since it's all made up anyway, it wouldn't be difficult for them to convince someone they wanted on the GB that they were annointed all of a sudden, sorta like what happened with Ed Dunlap in the CoC books.

  I doubt that they'd actually announce this as new-light though, since it only affects the handful that are groomed as the next GB members. It wouldn't be unlike the WTS to have semi-secret doctrine at higher levels.
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  New December KM with changes all over

  by pixel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  is not on the public website yet, but here it is, full more changes:.

  to the 2015 school:.

  bible highlights: brothers as- signed this part will have two min- utes to consider one interesting and practical scriptural point from the weekly bible reading.

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  OneEyedJoe

  WTF! They had a certain day of the month where they were instructed to only try to start bible studies? I never heard about that. LOL How controlling can they get before people wake the f up.

  Yup, the first saturday of every month we were told to go out and ask people if they want a free home bible study* instead of the normal presentation. I don't know a single person that actually did it, though. Everyone but maybe a few suck-ups, elders and pioneers just offered the magazines like usual.

  *study will not primarily use the bible, and the cost is exorbitant, it's just not an up-front cost.
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  Be Honest: Were You Ever Jealous When Someone Was Appointed a Pioneer, MS or Elder?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i knew some that were very happy for you and others, along with their families, that were envious of someone's advancement.. .

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  I never had any interest in being an MS. My reaction was always irritation at the prospect of being pushed into it, knowing that they'd use the newly appointed kid to try to guilt me into "reaching out." Especially when the noob was younger than me, which has almost always been the case for the past 8 years or so.
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  How to tell how effective JW.TV will be

  by bohm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  here is a simple and obvious way to tell how effective jw.tv is going to be:.

  in the past, how effective has religious tv been for you?

  has watching religious tv made by moonies, evangelists, mormons or scientologists made you seriously reflect on spirituality?

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  OneEyedJoe

  A quote from the WT that someone posted in another tv.jw.org thread seems applicable:

  *** w86 11/15 p. 21 Insight on the News ***

  TV Evangelism—God’s Way?

  If Jesus Christ were on earth today, asserted TV evangelist Jim Bakker, “he’d have to be on TV.” Why television? Because, according to Bakker, “that would be the only way he could reach the people he loves.” Like Bakker, an increasing number of fundamentalist preachers in the United States feel that television is the best medium for spreading the Word of God. Yet, a 1984 study showed that, for the most part, TV evangelists “reinforce people already committed to evangelical religion.”

  Just as the WT itself has said, their TV evangelism will serve only to reinforce their hold on current JWs. It will not bolster the ranks, nor will it even stem the tide of decline in the 1st world (which is obviously their target market).
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  Visitors to JW.org are just a mouse click away from apostate websites

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  while the jw community revels in the latest changes coming down from mother, never forget that the society are doing our job for us.. in recent years, the society's admonition was to stay off the internet and if you absolutely have to use it, only use the official website.. now the literature has q-codes on the back that direct you to jw.org and you can download their publications from the web, and with the advent of jw tv, visitors who go to the society's website are only a mouse click away from jwfacts and jwn.. not to mention the heavy impact that social media, especially facebook, is having on the society as a whole with jw apologists trying to defend their faith against former witnesses.. so don't be discouraged by the new and improved jw.org.

  they are doing our job for us and getting members to go on the web.. .

  truthseeker.

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  OneEyedJoe

  Flipper started a thread on the topic not too long ago:

  Will JW.org actually harm the WT society long term
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  So I'm going through a really difficult time right now.

  by scaredtospeak in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was publicly reproved last year and the elders have taken their sweet time in reinstating my "privileges".

  it's been six months and i can't answer at the meetings or participate in the theocratic ministry school.

  in all honesty- i don't care about the privileges.

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  OneEyedJoe

  Remember that you're not alone. There are thousands out there going though the exact same struggle that you are. That's always a comforting thought.

  Also, I consider you to be quite lucky. You've got things figured out at such a young age that it will be much easier for you to break free of the cult and start a life than it has been for many here. I'm not so bad off myself, but I would give anything to have known TTATT when I was your age. I know "it could be worse" is never that comforting, but better to deal with a few agonizing years now than have to deal with agonizing decades due to a spouse and children keeping you stuck in the cult.

  When dealing with your parents and the elders, always remain calm. If you get angry, they've won (at least in their minds). When they come at you in defense of the cult, try to take pity on them because they don't know the truth and you do. They're even more backed into a corner than you are. You have an objective mind, and that's a threat to their world view so they'll come after you, but you can use your objectivity to beat them. You have a way out (even if it's a few years off) while they may be mentally imprisoned in the cult for the rest of their lives.

  Stay strong, it'll get better. We're all rooting for you!