Posts by OneEyedJoe

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HOW TO TURN A HOME BIBLE STUDY into an underground railway

by TerryWalstrom in

are you crazy?.

you find yourself 'awake' to the truth about the 'truth' and all you do about it.

is sulk?

OneEyedJoe

Yeah your right, if I had it to do over again I would of stayed in and did a family study to help wake them up. But I got so pissed after what I learned concerning their blood doctrine I stopped going and have been on the spiritual outs with the family ever since. Learning ttatt is a very emotional process so one doesn't necessarily react the way one should.

I started to write a similar post, but didn't because I didn't want to rain on Terry's parade. This approach is really good for elders/pioneers or other super men who give the appearance of being super spiritual. For folks like me who never was all that into it, and never did the family study, it's useless. If I were to try to get my wife to do a family study and came in with any information that seemed to go contrary to the cult, she'd immediately snap into cult personality (this happens even if I so much as mention a scripture that conflicts with what they just said at a meeting).

But like I said, if you're an elder that's woken up, this seems like a really good start.

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2014 Watchtower Publisher Statistics

by jwfacts in

the 2014 grand totals page has been released onto facebook.. .

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i have started updating the statistics and graphs at jwfacts.com/watchtower/statistics.php, and will release highlights as i work through it during the rest of the day..

OneEyedJoe

With most of the new baptism s being born in theres no need for new seats and the so called need for kh is a big fat lie. I wonder why the number of ones leaving dropped way off in 2009 and hasn't gone back up much since then?

Baptisms of born-ins still have to come from somewhere - even if the number is solely indicative of the birth-rate of JWs, they still need to split congregations to make room as families grow.

With the 1500 or so new congregations, they'd only need about 300 KHs assuming they can get full utilization of them. Of course, this also assumes they were already at capacity, which probably isn't the case. I guess there is probably some additional need for new KHs on top of that due to the churn they're experiencing - there's a lot of growth in developing countries, and none in the 1st world (any growth there is almost certainly from immigrants). This actually compliments their business model quite handily because it means that they actually do need to build more KHs. What they don't mention is that they're pocketing the money from the KHs sold where there's decline, but they're not spending that money to build the new ones where they're needed.

Regardless, the need for new KHs isn't anything near what you get the impression it is from all the letters and articles that come out of them. The need for donations for these new builds is even more misrepresented.

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2014 Watchtower Publisher Statistics

by jwfacts in

the 2014 grand totals page has been released onto facebook.. .

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i have started updating the statistics and graphs at jwfacts.com/watchtower/statistics.php, and will release highlights as i work through it during the rest of the day..

OneEyedJoe

I'm curious about what warrants these additional congregations in the first place. With 275,581 baptized, this amounts to an average of 2.38 additional publishers per congregation (using the 2014 number of congregations, or 2.42 using the 2013 number of congregations). This certainly isn't enough to warrant all these new congregations. It's not as if large numbers of people are being converted in a local area to the point where new congregations are being formed purely out of new converts.

Looking at it another way, it makes a little more sense:

dividing the newly baptized into the newly formed congregations gives us 173 new cultists in each new congregation. Of course, the effective growth would have to take in account the number that stopped publishing to get the true net growth. Once you do that, you're down to about 106 new ones per new congregation, which is a pretty typical congregation size.

One thing that's for sure - the big J definitely isn't "speeding up the work" and the need for new KHs has dropped significantly in the past couple years. This stands in direct contrast to all the cult's raving on about how many new KHs are needed in order to drive up donations.

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Is child abuse becoming the 'Benghazi' of exJW's?

by Simon in

i've been noticing a trend recently that seems to becoming prevalent in posts which i think is a little sad and counter productive where, whatever the topic is actually about, someone will be keen to remind everyone about child abuse issues within the wts.. any sort of abuse, especially that of children, is a very serious issue but i'm not sure it's prevention is necessarily best-served by brining it up at every opportunity.

it ends up looking a little like the republican party's obsession with benghazi where they harp on about it to such an extent that people have become blind to it and it almost becomes a punchline.

people become less and less convinced of the claims because they hear them too often.. trying to turn any discussion into including comments on it, however well-intentioned, starts to look misguided at some point.

OneEyedJoe

100% agree. When I was first dipping my toes into the water here, before I found jwfacts the apostate community seemed somewhat obsessed with the child abuse issue. Of course, i had been inoculated by the cult against things like that with the 'imperfect men' excuse. As Simon pointed out, mentioning it in small, out of context, doses like that makes people more prepared for the full information and actually does the topic a disservice. Much like a vaccine, you get used to everyone harping on child abuse so if you ever come across the full information to realize that it's a systemic problem, you're more likely to dismiss it.

If we limit the child abuse discussion to topics that present the full story, people stumbling upon it are more likely to see it as a credible, systemic problem. That can only happen, though, if all the information is presented, otherwise the 'imperfect men' excuse covers everything nicely, perhaps with a touch of persecution complex.

This has been on my mind for a while, but I didn't know how it would be received if I brought it up. The many off-handed references here to the pedophile protecting GB or similar comments probably delayed my awakening by several months. For someone in a different situation, it could very well push them back to the cult forever.

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Has anyone ever gotten disfellowshipped for going to University?

by SonoftheTrinity in

jehovah's witnesses claim no one is disfellowshipped for pursuing higher education.

somehow it seems there must be some halfwit sorry excuse for an elder somewhere who personally felt threatened by over educated young whippersnappers and decided to mark every nerd he could point his sweaty little finger with.

OneEyedJoe

I think they'd be hard pressed to justify DFing someone for going to college, but as is often said around here you can be DF'd for literally anything that 3 elders agree on.

The only exception that I could think of is if someone went to an overtly religious college, especially if they require that you take classes on religion, as many do. But even so, I've never heard of anyone getting DF'd for that.

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No Mans Land.........The Void..........Whatever........

by Night Owl in

jw
friends

having a believing spouse, but no longer having any desire to go to the meetings, or service, this is what i've come to call this space i'm in, and i'm sure a few others are in this same space.. nightowl .

OneEyedJoe

Yep, your certainly not alone. There was another thread on this topic a while back - you might check it out if you, like me, find some comfort in knowing that you're not alone.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/281621/roll-call-those-us-stuck-our-spouse-whos-spouse-still

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Could the allowance of blood fractions be curtailing the growth of the religion?

by Apognophos in

so, imagine that you're just a regular joe who's not familiar with the witnesses and is looking for the answers to life, the universe, and everything.

you hear a knock at your door.

before long, you are studying with a jehovah's witness.

OneEyedJoe

Gone and forgotten - first off, welcome!

On your view of blood - do you believe blood (as a symbol of life) to be of more importance to god than life itself?

It seems to me that upholding the sanctity of blood at the expense of life is like a man choosing to save his wedding ring at the expense of his marriage. I urge you to look into the matter prior to having another surgery - I'd hate to see this cult take another life, especially after you've already escaped.

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2014 increase in Memorial Partakers to 14,121

by jwfacts in

i have updated the article at memorial partakers with the figures released for 2014. no surprises here, it has risen yet again, this time by 6% over last year, and is now 14,121.. .

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OneEyedJoe

Simon - in 2007 they gave the new light that the anointed weren't sealed in 1935. So I guess they declared open season on the heavenly calling and quite a few deciced they were worthy.

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2014 Watchtower Publisher Statistics

by jwfacts in

the 2014 grand totals page has been released onto facebook.. .

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i have started updating the statistics and graphs at jwfacts.com/watchtower/statistics.php, and will release highlights as i work through it during the rest of the day..

OneEyedJoe

Coalize - at least where I am, the stress that you can count it as a Bible study if you read a paragraph in whatever study brochure they're using (used to be "what does good require of us" but I think it's changed) and ask them the question. Basically if you do anything beyond throwing the latest magazines in the door and running away, you can count it as a Bible study.

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Everlasting Life on Paradise Earth - My musings of why it cannot be true

by leaving_quietly in

actually, just one musing.. there are a number of scriptures that wtbts uses to support their doctrine of everlasting life on paradise earth.

the vast majority come from the hebrew scriptures.

using just one verse, i believe i can disprove this doctrine quite soundly.. the verse is john 6:68.. simon peter answered him: lord, whom shall we go away to?

OneEyedJoe

Yeah, I always thought it was odd that he would say that if an eternal future in paradise was the plan from the beginning, as the doctrine goes.