all you have to say is "who says jehovah is not using me right now?
" something to that effect.. if they say you are just a low-life nobody just point out amos nipper of figs.
and if they say "do you think you're a prophet?
Are you serious? Does the fact that a Catholic is willing to overlook the faults in his own religion make it right for a Jehovah's Witness to ignore the faults in his own religion?
My point was that this effectively shows their hypocrisy - an unwillingness to act on evidence that they don't have the truth, but they won't recognize the validity of the same excuse used by someone of another faith.
wow, what a surprise that was!.
i expected a warm welcome, as this was someone i have known for a very long time.. nope, uber disfellowshipped jw.
totally caught me off guard.
enjoy this informative 5 minute video that explains very simply how the human eye has evolved over millions of years.
notice how each of the steps on the path to our complex eyes can be found among extant living creatures.. it may whet your appetite to research lots more details that have been discovered in recent years.. please remember that natural selection is not about random chance.. .... .
But even Darwin admitted that it was absurd in the highest degree to think that the eye could've evolved through natural processes!
Thanks for sharing!
found this on youtube.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy3zlxley6u.
Thanks.
That scripture actually always bothered me when it came to a lot of things that JWs did. The other one that always bothered me regarding time reports was the bit where David took a census of his army and god killed a bunch of people as a result (that one also bothered me since David had done the crime, but it was other people that god punished, but that's neither here nor there).
This was a good video for showing just how much control the cult will try to exert, and how little room there is for individual conscience. The proper reaction from the elders would've been to say something like "well, ok if it bothers your conscience then you certainly shouldn't do it." and let that be that.
found this on youtube.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy3zlxley6u.
Can't watch right now, but is this the same one that was posted a while ago - guy says he's not turning in time anymore because (primarily) of the scripture about not praying in the streets like the pharisees do because they're getting their reward in full?
am i going nuts or am i just pissed off?
there are so many posters who use abbreviations in their posts and so many of us have been out for years.
the borg constantly changes everything from beliefs to organizational tactics, so those like me don't have a clue to what you are referring to.
For not native English speaking people it might be good to explain what 'dub' means (took me months before I found out where it came from, the English pronounciation of the 'W', in 'JW", 'double U' abbreviated to 'dub'. That's correct, isn't it?).
And 'borg'... I don't know what it exactly means. It obviously refers to 'org', but what's the definition?
the dub thing is so easy to take for granted. I've heard it from JWs quite frequently, even.
borg is a reference to star trek - the Borg is an alien race that is basically a bunch of drones that just do what the collective intelligence tells them. Their only reason for existing is to "assimilate" other species into the group. Pretty decent metaphor for the JW cult.
all you have to say is "who says jehovah is not using me right now?
" something to that effect.. if they say you are just a low-life nobody just point out amos nipper of figs.
and if they say "do you think you're a prophet?
I looked one poster's comments here (I can't take credit for this, but don't remember who said it first) who said:
If you found a Catholic in service and exhaustively showed him from the Bible all the things that were wrong with the Catholic church, only to have him say "I'm just going to have to wait on Jesus to fix things" what do you day to that?
am i going nuts or am i just pissed off?
there are so many posters who use abbreviations in their posts and so many of us have been out for years.
the borg constantly changes everything from beliefs to organizational tactics, so those like me don't have a clue to what you are referring to.
LDC is the replacement for RBC. Cappytan got it -local design committee.
The funny thing is, im still stuck in and I only just learned the abbreviation from this forum.
i've always been a "spiritual" person.
i've been an avid bible reader since as early as i can remember.
i read the bible cover to cover for the first time when i was about 17 years old and have read it at least twice more since then.
Jesus, is it new member day? Lots of new folks, great to see.
Welcome. I'm in a pretty similar place. Its been about 8 months since I found TTATT, and I'm still trying to found a way to exit without ruining my marriage or damaging my wife's relationship with her family.
My advice (for what it's worth) is to take it show and do lots of research. Have you cone across jwfacts.com yet? Lots of information there (as week as here) to help you see that you're not crazy and there is indeed many things amiss with the jw organization.
Also, feel free to pm me of you ever need to talk/vent/whatever. It sounds like we're in similar situations, and for me it's been a huge comfort knowing I'm not alone. So, thanks for sharing.
so i joined very recently and began posting and commenting without a formal intro.
been reading for a while, decided it was time to jump in.
mentally i am completely cleansed of this thing, but still have to maintain a minimal involvement for spouse and family.
One of my favorites is how amazing a habitable planet is.
Haha, yeah. I just love that - clearly the planet was made for us since it's so perfectly suited to our needs! Umm...if we had adapted to the environment that we live in for roughly 4 billion years, you'd expect our needs to be pretty closely aligned with what's available...
I once likened going to the meetings every week to being stuck in the 5th grade for your entire life. My wife didn't react too favorably to that comment.
