OneEyedJoe

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  JW TV is the reason for the hysteria in the KH

  by campaign of hate in

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  if you, like me, have noticed the sudden increase in hysteria in the khs right now, i put it down to that jw tv site.

  its's far more extensive than i thought it was, i thought it was just 1, 1 hour program a month.

  there's a s*** load of videos on that site.. and the real problem, from just watching a clip from each video, is that these guys are clearly "mentally unstable".

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  OneEyedJoe

  Yeah, the only way we get a jonestown type thing is if the GB manages to get themselves in a really tight spot and can't see any way out other than suicide.  I can see that happening at some point, but probably not for several decades.  If all the money runs out though, I wouldn't put it past 'em.
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  Why are JW talks & publications never uplifting?

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was sitting at the meeting the other night and for the first time it hit, jw talks or magazines are never uplifting!

  i rarely, if ever hear a talk or read a magazines and have it give nothing but praise to jehovahs servants or just praise jehovah and jesus throughout it.

  they never just a read through the bible or just a bible story explained or told.

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  Ya know - we're all on the bandwagon here, but thinking about this I recall that our last CO actually did give a few talks that were somewhat up building.  He said things I'd never heard from the platform before.  Among them was something like 'you know we sometimes get down on ourselves because we know we could do this better or do more of that, but when you really look at it, we're already so much better than those in the world.  We're already doing good so you don't need to be so harsh on yourselves.'  Obviously this is still skewed in the direction of "the whole world is evil" but it was literally the only time I've heard a CO give a talk and didn't give us a single thing to 'do better' on.
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  Why are JW talks & publications never uplifting?

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was sitting at the meeting the other night and for the first time it hit, jw talks or magazines are never uplifting!

  i rarely, if ever hear a talk or read a magazines and have it give nothing but praise to jehovahs servants or just praise jehovah and jesus throughout it.

  they never just a read through the bible or just a bible story explained or told.

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  They had a perfect opportunity to up build during the Zone (zoned out) meeting. They had over 1 million people listening and the final talk was on tight pants, 23 yr. old MS's, and Spanx? With all the problems everyone is facing, this is what they choose to discuss?
  

  I brought this up when my in-laws were talking about the zone visit.  I've been pretty open about my stance that AMIII was making pharisiacal rules and going beyond the things written.  My father-in-law's only rebuttal was that "we were getting a window into what it's like a bethel - it's a whole different world and they have to set higher standards so that the world can't pick out any flaws."  Even when I emphasize that they had an unprecedented opportunity to build up 1 million JWs all at once, and they squandered it he sticks to this.  Basically it was a privilege for us to get to see more of them and they shouldn't have to change anything for us.
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  Why are JW talks & publications never uplifting?

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was sitting at the meeting the other night and for the first time it hit, jw talks or magazines are never uplifting!

  i rarely, if ever hear a talk or read a magazines and have it give nothing but praise to jehovahs servants or just praise jehovah and jesus throughout it.

  they never just a read through the bible or just a bible story explained or told.

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  Perpetually guilty people are easier to manipulate.  If someone's beaten down enough they lose the self-confidence to question or to act in their own interests at the expense of leadership.  

  Haha, you know, that actually crossed my mind 2 Sunday's ago during the blood Watchtower. In my mind I could not figure out how we ended up on the blood topic with how the Watchtower started. Full 360 on what started.
  

  Yeah, I was quite perplexed myself.  The title was something about being holy, and to read the article you'd think that the majority of what it takes to be holy is rejecting a blood transfusion.
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  Interesting statement made by CO. Is this new?

  by stillin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in his first talk of the week the co mentioned that people don't get df'd for joining the military or registering to vote because they are already gone, as compared with smoking secretly, which would merit df'ing.. i have been toying around with registering to vote in the next election (us) so this intrigues me..

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  Would a CO really do that? Just go on stage and tell lies?

  
  

  I thought voting was a "conscience matter" now, no?

  In cases where it's legally required to vote JWs are encouraged to essentially make a show of going into the booth without actually voting, or writing in "Jehovah" or something.  Otherwise it isn't a conscience matter.
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  Need advice on a comeback to my wife: when she is in cult mode she says faith without works is dead.

  by goingthruthemotions in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so i have gotten into arguements with my wife in the past about this cult.

  now a days after reading steve hassan books...i just try and avoid anything jdub with her.

  try to keep her in authentic mode..(not sure she really has one).

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  OneEyedJoe

  Stumbled upon this while putting together a reply for another thread.  Here's what I'd used to rebut any claim that faith without works is dead and works=preaching.

  1 Timothy 5:9,10 (JW "bible") -

  9 A widow is to be put on the list if she is not less than 60 years old, was the wife of one husband, 10  having a reputation for fine works, if she raised children, if she practiced hospitality, if she washed the feet of holy ones, if she assisted the afflicted, if she devoted herself to every good work.
  

  Just read that and ask "what are the 'fine works' as defined by paul?  What do all of the things listed have in common?"  Everything listed is about caring for family responsibilities and being hospitable and caring to others.  Everything listed is about taking care of a physical need, not about preaching or taking care of "spiritual" needs.

  So you can agree that faith without works is dead, but disagree that the works required to display faith include preaching.
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  1 Timothy 5:8 - Providing for one's household....materially or spiritually?

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the searcher brought this scripture up on another thread:.

  (1 timothy 5:8) "certainly if anyone does not provide for those who are his own, and especially for those who are members of his household, he has disowned the faith and is worse than a person without faith.

  " [disowned jehovah].

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  Yeah, what Morpheus said - it's clear from the context that this is not talking about taking care of your household spiritually.  The many references to taking care of widows, which are frequently referenced in the bible as those who are materially disadvantaged but often very strong spiritually (for example: the widow's mite).  These ones clearly would have a greater and more immediate material needs than spiritual needs.

  Also, verse 10 is particularly of interest in that it describes many "fine works" none of which include the ministry or "providing spiritually" - these are all about taking care of family responsibilities and caring for others physically.  
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  Feeling low

  by campaign of hate in

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  christ, my mind feels f***ed.

  there is so many layers of indoctrination and rules and regulations in this, whatever this is (religion?

  cult?

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  OneEyedJoe

  I've been there, and still am there to some extent.  I've been awake for 9 months, but there have been few outward indications to anyone that this is the case, with the exception of my wife, and even there I've tried to be subtle and take it slow.  

  Much of this cult seems to be designed to cause the reaction you're experiencing upon waking up - they want you to flip out and quit all at once.  They want you to run to all your friends and proclaim from the rooftops "They joined the UN!" or "They protect child rapists!" or the generic but ever so accurate "They're lying to you!"  This is what they want.  They want you to immediately discredit yourself.  They want it to be obvious that you've taken in "apostate information."  They know that once someone gets to where you are, you're no good to them anymore, so the system is designed to get you out of the way fast and in a way that makes everything you say seem like it's just some elaborate apostate scheme and your mind's been poisoned and you only left for selfish reasons, etc. etc.  

  They force JWs to bottle up any doubts.  They say the elders are there to help, but everyone knows not to go to the elders with doubts.  Everyone with genuine doubts know they can't be explained away, and they know that any attempt will just make it worse and then they'll be marked as a doubter by the elders.  So you bottle it up and the pressure builds until you explode.  Since everything has been calm on the surface, the explosion is easily rationalized away by others as you simply losing your mind.

  Don't let them win.  Beat their system, play your cards close to your chest and take things slow.  As others have said, time is on your side.  The march of time proves them wrong every day, and only gives you more cards to play.  There's no way around it - you'll lose a lot when you leave, but you may not have to lose everything and you certainly don't have to be unprepared.  Make sure you have a stable footing outside the cult before you leave, and don't confirm all their expectations that you're bitter and selfish and you've been fooled and will only end up in a miserable life upon leaving.  Living well is the best revenge.

  Stay strong buddy, we're all pulling for ya.  
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  Dear typer-ers, you're doing it wrong!

  by Simon in

  1. forum
  2. tech-support

  there are many things wrong with the world, many injustices and crimes committed.

  what if we could stop one of them?

  wouldn't it make the world a slightly better place?

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  OneEyedJoe

  To one shall ye count. Never to two. Three is right out.
  

  Classic.

  I'm not sure if I'll ever get over the 2 spaces after a period.  It's such an ingrained habit from school that it happens without any thought.
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  Questions from a non-catholic

  by Sir cid fatos in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hello guys.

  since i have few jw friends i thought a lot of jehova witnesses.

  they are all nice guys.

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  OneEyedJoe

  Well, firstly, you've stumbled upon a site that's made up mostly of exJWs and those who are no longer believers in JW doctrine but are stuck in the cult for one reason or another, so this may not be quite your intended audience.

  I forget how they try to weasel out of the error that the hare chews it's cud when that's really not the case.  I assume that's what you're talking about.  They probably dismiss it as being that they appear to chew their cud and the isrealites would've thought this to be the case, so the bible was written in a way to make it easier for them to understand.  I don't know for sure, but I'm sure it's nonsense.

  The days thing in genesis is easy - that refers to "figurative days" which is simply a period of activity with a particular goal.