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  City of Sodom discovered

  by Saved_JW in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3270999/has-biblical-city-sodom-monstrous-site-jordan-matches-descriptions-area-destroyed-god.html

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  OneEyedJoe

  Besides, where is the crater that could provide evidence of such impact?

  Could've exploded in the air as with the Tunguska event. No crater but it certainly could've still caused death/fires/structure damage.
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  They would all fit on the isle of Wight?

  by purrpurr in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i remember once asking how the planet could possibly accommodate all the people who have ever lived?

  after the resurrection i mean.

  the answer i was told is that the gb had calculated that all the people who have ever lived could all fit on to the isle of wight?!.

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  Of course they could all fit - no calculations needed. It's all in how high you're willing to stack the bodies.
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  How to survive an assembly

  by BlackWolf in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hey i was just wondering if you guys had any ideas on how to keep my brain occupied while i'm at an assembly tommorow.

  maybe besides tallying the number of times they say jehovah and jesus or counting how many people are wearing red.

  i want to keep myself from going insane or having some kind of panic attack lol.

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  I usually browsed the internet all day on my tablet.
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  We're not trying to convert you

  by jws in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  recently i saw a link to an article from the st. petersburg times (one of these links on the side of this forum to sometimes old articles).

  it was an article about jws and their preaching work.

  imo, middle to favorable.. but the one thing was from a door where the jws are saying they're not here to convert anyone, they just want to share a scripture.. what sort of bs is this?

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  I heard it said regularly by other jws to householders while I was in, and it bothered me every time. I also never understood the explanation given - usually one of the following:

  "I just like talking to people and if they happen to want to become JWs then all the better"

  "We don't convert anyone, we just try to teach those that are interested - they have to convert themselves.". A variation of this one is that it's Jehovah that does the covering, with a reference to the "god keeps making it grow" scripture.

  I think there was one other that I'm forgetting but the point is that they're all deliberately deceptive. JWs love to change the definition of words and then claim they don't apply to them. Same strategy that they use in claiming they're not a cult.

  The dishonesty of it lead me to always just excuse myself and leave the door if it was my turn to talk and someone said they were happy with their religion.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses - People of Integrity

  by Saved_JW in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  when i think of integrity, a lot of positive connotations come to mind.

  i think of individuals grounded in principles, who do not operate on opinions that change based on the breeze of political or social change.

  a life that is directed by a code of morality, not on capricious emotions.

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  Thinking about your father's comment about then having your best interests at heart, I was reminded of something another poster here said when talking about JWs trusting the org. They believe that the org is truthful because they are truthful and they assume that the org that (they think) taught them to be truthful would be. That goes for this too, I think. Your father cares about people and he's bought into the indoctrination that all his good personality traits are because of the org so he assumes the thing that taught him to care must also care about him.
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  A new member

  by Kurteousmaximus in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hi... i am new and after nearly 20 years after being disassociated at 15 i would like to make contact with others who have similar difficulties.

  my mother was disfellowshipped shortly after my rebellion and had all ties with both her mother and brother cut and that remains the case.. just really hacked off with not being able to put things in the proper place in my life after all these years.

  for the record i don't know if i believe in god but am searching for some peace as i seem to self destruct on a regular basis.. any ideas anyone?.

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  Welcome! I hope this forum can be as much help for you as it's been for me. You'll quickly learn that the love of the greater number has certainly not cooled off.

  You're far from alone in this. So much of the cult is designed to cause people to self destruct after they leave. They strip you of normal coping mechanisms and fill your head with self-fulfilling prophecy of failure if you leave. It can take a lot of concerted effort to really rid yourself of it all, but it's worth it.

  If your job has an employee assistance program (EAP) you might look into using that to get some time with a therapist. Or perhaps insurance or just paying out of pocket if you can afford it - it would probably be worthwhile. I know it's helped me in dealing with my exit. Someone with cult experience is probably good but not totally necessary.

  Or hell, if you ever just want to talk to someone who can relate to the cult background, feel free to PM me on here. And remember - living well is the best revenge! Take care of yourself and enjoy life. Figuring out god and religion and all that stuff can be taken slowly...no need to rush into anything.
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  THE WATCHTOWER (STUDY EDITION) JANUARY 2016

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  pdf .

  this issue contains the study articles for february 29 to april 3, 2016.. what about the number of those partaking at the memorial?12, 13. why should we not worry about the number of those who eat the bread and drink the wine at the memorial?12 in recent years, we have seen an increase in the number of those partaking at the memorial of christs death.

  that trend contrasts with the decrease in the number of partakers that we saw for many decades.

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  I wonder if they're going to just be done with it and realign the FDS with the anointed, but by saying only the GB are anointed today. That'd put them ahead of the R/F in every way possible, which I'm sure they'd enjoy.
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  NO.1 2016 Watchtower - up online

  by Gayle in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  why be honest?.

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  OneEyedJoe

  Cover: Why Be Honest?

  1st page: Seriously, does anyone know? We sure can't think of a good reason.
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  Do you have J-dar?

  by JWdaughter in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  today at work i had an interesting set of co workers.

  one was telling us about her side job selling sex toys(also a l&d nurse).

  the other one, very beautiful, intelligent woman told us of her 2 kids.

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  It makes sense that they'd be easy to spot. That's somewhat by design. The cult trains people to be clones, using the same speech patterns and talking about similar shallow things. They spend so much time listening to the WT literature being read that their speech begins to mimic the phrasing used therein. Plus there's always their casual use of the WT loaded language. They dress a certain way and their makeup/hair is rather plain. Any one thing by itself would be dismissed but when you see it all together its unmistakable, especially to someone who's been around it for so much of their life.

  One of the things that our brain is best at is recognizing patterns and matching them to previous experience. You've had a lot of experience developing a template of what a JW is in your head and you've still got that there. It doesn't take long for your brain to match someone to that template.

  The ease with which JWs are able to identify one another creates a virtual cult compound wall keeping members in because it works both ways. JWs instantly recognize one another, but that also means that when they're talking to a non-JW they're acutely aware of it and it makes them feel separate and out of place. This mechanism operates subconsciously and helps to keep them from forming strong bonds with non-JWs.
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  What other Shenanigans can we expect to see in the next 2 years?

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  its been a little over 2 years since i left the watchtower.

  in that time the magazines have been cut, the birth of jwtv, jw-org.

  carts for preaching, removed district overseers, cut assemblies, demand all the money from the congregations, stop construction and layoff bethelites, change the format of the tmschool .

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  Doesn't matter what they "cost" nowadays because the don't announce the costs or donations for the 3 day RCs anymore. At least, they haven't at any of the ones I've been to in the last 2-3 years. They simply make an announcement that you can donate if you appreciate the convention.
  

  I was joking about it costing more, you're right that they don't do an accounts report at the conventions. When they went from 2 day assemblies to 1 day, it did end up "costing" more for the first 1 day assembly, though.

  While we're on the topic, though, I wouldn't be surprised if they started announcing at the meetings (or passing one of those "unanimous" resolutions) that there was a deficit at a recent convention and that they needed to send some amount of money to the branch to help "offset the cost." This will then be broken down to a per-publisher figure and suggested that they donate to offset the money that they're already sending to the branch.

  Since they invite the public to conventions, though, they can't do the accounts report there.