OneEyedJoe

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  Psychotic Motor Bike Racer

  by The Fall Guy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  trying to pull another motor cyclists handbrake on at 135 mph!!

  this nut job should be banned for life!!.

  the bbc news link shows this, while the youtube link reveals his past behaviour.

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  OneEyedJoe

  This nut job should be banned for life!!

  It seems those in authority to apply such sanctions agreed.
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  What was the EXACT exJW website you first visited and why EXACTLY did you visit it?

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i had two episodes of visiting exjw websites:one time around 2007 when i just googled "jehovah´s witnesses" and dared to look at those sites.

  i was scared and i promised myself i would never come back to them.

  however, that one didn´t really count.the moment that woke me up was this:i got to know that whitney heichel was a jw and murdered by another jw, because i overheard that conversation in a kingdom hall.i looked up the news and in one of the news comments, there was one where an exjw was complaining that they were hijacking her funeral and they were really trying to downplay the fact that her murderer was a jw... and then it said "visit jwfacts.com"... which i did.and the rest... is history.what exactly got you onto an apostate website when you woke up?

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  OneEyedJoe

  I first happened upon jwleaks.com. I wanted a kingdom ministry PDF to use during the meetings. I used their site for a good while (noticing out of the corner of my eye the doomsday ticker counting down to 2014 as well as headlines on child abuse, etc that I dismissed out of hand) before my doubts crystalized and their links to jwfacts came in very handy.
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  Carts on both ends of the farmersmarket

  by Still Totally ADD in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my wife and me have a booth at the local framers market.

  there is usually about 12 t0 14 vendors each week on a small short street in town.

  what is funny on each end of this short street are cart setups with 3 people on each cart.

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  OneEyedJoe

  I wondered this too. I asked my former-friend who I met on the carts a few weeks ago and I got an angry "OF COURSE WE DO!!"

  His experiencing any emotional response to that question other than confusion is rather telling in itself. It likely betrays his discomfort with the state of affairs of the preaching work. If he were happy with how the preaching work was going you'd expect something more like "Yep! We sure do! And we help more people find Jehovah each year!"
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  Want to have fun with a believer? Ask them if they agree with these.....

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just a fun idea inspired by seth andrews latest podcast (the thinking atheist).

  ask a believer if they agree with the following statements of faith:.

  one should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason.. the struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.. one’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.. the freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend.

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  Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world. We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs

  If they're paying attention they'll raise a problem with this one. Maybe not with the latter portion (though the GB certainly don't have any qualms about violating that bit too) but they'll definitely not agree that one's beliefs should be based upon scientific understanding.
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  Interpretation often takes you away from truth

  by Ireneus in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  yesterday, my classmate was giving an example from her homeland on how people can give various interpretations which have nothing to do with truth.

  though studying in the us, she was closely monitoring what was happening in kerala (a small southern state of india), her birth place.

  last month saw unprecedent heavy rains wreaking widespread havoc in this small state with huge population (which is much more than australia’s population).

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  OneEyedJoe

  The problem with trying to interpret the bible to get to truth is not in the interpreting, it's in the source material. It's a book full of horrifying tales, monstrous moral agents and a few bits of wisdom that have been stumbled upon by basically every culture at one point or another. If you assume that it has some special truth in it, you either end up a fundamentalist with absolutely wretched morality or you twist yourself up in all kinds of mental contortionist knots trying to interpret an internally inconsistent text to hide it's abhorrent realities.

  Interpretation is absolutely vital to get to fundamental truths. Without interpretation you simply have a bunch of facts. It takes interpretation to get from the facts of the constancy of the speed of light and the equivalence of inertial and gravitational mass to get to the general theory of relativity. It's interpretation that allows us to generalize data to get to facts. Of course there are certain techniques to interpreting things effectively (e.g. occam's razor) but when done correctly, simple and fundamental truths can be discovered.

  In your story it was not a lack of interpretation that got scientists to a better outcome, it was applying effective techniques of interpretation. The people interpreting it as god's anger were making two flawed assumptions - that there is some divine entity that involves itself in human affairs, and that this entity was responsible for the event. Scientists are generally much better trained in interpreting data effectively - they applied occam's razor and avoided initial assumptions that were completely unsupported.

  If you want to get to truth, first look at your starting assumptions and make sure they're justified, then weigh the possible interpretations by their complexity and fit to the data, and take the one that has the highest probability of being correct.
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  2018 JWBroadcasting "Higher education is useless" video CLIP

  by Not_Culty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sept 2018. https://vimeo.com/288327363.

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  I often think of how lucky I was to graduate highschool in the brief period where higher education was a "conscience matter." In a way, I'm also pretty lucky that they later went back on this stance, because having been to college to see firsthand how useful it was and that it was devoid of all the supposed bad influences (unless you were to go off looking for them) this was quite instrumental in my awakening - I knew they were catastrophically misleading people when they railed against higher education.
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  Why does it affect us so deeply?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was having a great chat with a valued friend and fellow forum member today on the phone.. we were discussing how deeply we all get affected by jw interactions - even years after fading or disassociating.. you know what i mean.

  those days when we run into jws who we considered to be our close friends.

  or "loving shepherds" who don't act kindly.

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  OneEyedJoe

  A big part of cult indoctrination is that they force you to integrate the cult into your very identity. That's the point of the constant talk about "make the truth your own" "put on the new personality" "spiritual heritage" etc. Once you're out you will likely become a very different person.

  The other effect this constant indoctrination has is that it makes all JWs into very nearly the same person. Certainly when they're in cult mode (i.e. out preaching or when their defenses are up because they've come across a DFed/faded/inactive person - so this covers 90% of the interactions anyone on this forum is going to have with JWs) the variations between them are negligible. This means, too, that when we see a JW in full cult personality, we're essentially looking at our past selves. I think this is the main reason why interactions with JWs affect me so much, I see all the flawed reasoning that I was doing myself that kept me trapped so long and I find myself becoming angry at my former cult self.

  For me it's like watching a video recording of the most embarrassing thing I've ever done - something that cost me so much time, money, experiences, and friendships.
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  $2,000 fine for not releasing files?

  by Bad_Wolf in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://international.la-croix.com/news/jehovahs-witness-leader-urges-elders-to-destroy-sex-abuse-records/8188#.

  a california court fined only $2,000 to the wt for not releasing records of 775 sex abuse cases?

  they should have made the fine 20 million +.

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  OneEyedJoe

  A key phrase that was left out of the article was "per day." There were actually two $2000 fines (one punitive and the other was something else, I forget) so the total was $4000 per day.
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  A Fantasy I Have To Protest Cart Witnessing

  by Wild_Thing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am not a protester and i hate confrontation, but i have always thought it would be hilarious to set up a kool-aid stand right next to the jw carts and sell purple kool-aid.

  i wonder how many would get the joke?.

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  OneEyedJoe

  Make it a grape flavor aid booth for that extra bit of authenticity
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  Sex before marriage

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  for ex jws, pimos, pomos, faders, born again christians, agnostics, atheists, etc.

  what is your opinion regarding sex before marriage, has your view been influenced since you left?

  in western society, you’ll probably find yourself ridiculed to be an 18 year old virgin so i am curious to hear opinions from here.

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  OneEyedJoe

  It's only premarital sex if you get married after.