Posts by RichardHaley

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Roll call of those of us stuck in for our spouse or whos spouse is still in!

by BU2B in

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i just wanted to get a feel for how many here have awakened to ttatt but are still carrying on some jw activities to pacify them and keep the peace.

also trying to hear from those who have left, but whose spouse has stayed in the wt and in the marriage.. for me it comes down to my own mental anguish.

i am mentally tortured by attending the meetings, yet i feel compelled to because my wife would kill me with her personality if i had her drag 2 small girls by herself there.

RichardHaley

My wife is still in but has her doubts. We both were very involved when raising our kids. Not so much now. My wife would have no problem if I quit.... did that years ago right after we were married and she survived for 10yrs going without me. I was re-activated after 30 and then our family came along. She was a Regular Pioneer for over a decade while raising kids and holding down part-time work. I served as an E during this time.

A lot of sh*t started hitting the fan when our kids were in there teens. Our kids were fine but they along with us started seeing the hypocrisy and double standards practiced in the cong with other families in the lead. When standing up for what was "right" then the ostracism started. It is a long story but it just boiled down to personalities, nepotism and a bunch of drama queens. This resulted in one of our kids being disfellowshiped after seeking friends outside the KH.

Neither of us our very strong now, (me especially) due to health reasons on my wife's part and my cooling off. We have a very large family still "in" and for this reason I am proceeding cautiously. I wish to spend the rest of my days with my wife and don't want to see her stressed any more than necessary. She has never tried to force me to do anything I didn't want to and we are very open with each other. She does not trust Elders and has some doubts about JW doctrine but when it comes to Jehovah/Jesus/Bible she is as loyal as can be. We are both headed in the same direction I am just a little more advanced than her. I just want her to make up her own mind without feeling any pressure from me.

The biggest thing I see in all this is letting your children get baptized. If I had it to do over again and they insisted, I would tell them that they cannot get baptized until they are out on their own. At least then they might have a more balanced view of what they might be getting into.

(the "never grow old in this system" class)... lol for focus

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The Complete Scammer's Guide - by "Pastor" Russell (New Light!)

by Focus in

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friends

most of us are reasonably familiar with reports of scandalous goings-on of that old jellyfish lecher, the founder of the watchtower cult, the one and only charles taze russell.. but, are these stories true?.

this thread is going to be devoted to his allegedly scurrilous activities.

so, bookmark it, please, bro' focus is in possession of noo light, and we're going to explore russell like you've never seen him explored before.. we're approaching his 100th death anniversary, and for all i know this virtual exhumation may lead to a real one.

RichardHaley

"I didn't come to JWN to destroy the Watchtower, although the more I know, the more I think this organization is unsound from top to bottom, as well as from its historical roots, and thus cannot be "reformed". I came to learn, to form a well-established, well-informed opinion about the Watchtower and its theology, and the point of view of its detractors. It shouldn't come as a surprise to you that the detractors of the WTS are mostly right, on multiple levels. So, my next goal is to help my family to get out, while trying to preserve my marriage."

the gem here!

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Elders Can't Simply Go Back to Being Ministerial Servants...

by TTATTelder in

as a currently serving "awake" elder caught in the web of family, spouse, employer, etc.

etc..... i have often wondered why an elder cannot simply drop back to ministerial servant if he so desired (because of stress, circumstances, health).. on paper a currently serving elder in good standing more than qualifies to be a ms. that is obviously the case by their own hierarchy structure and definitions of qualification.. but...under their current arrangement....theoretically a man could give a district convention talk one week to 10,000 people, step down as an elder the following day due to stress, and not "qualify" to give a 5 min part on the next week's service meeting in front of 50 people.

doesn't make a lot of sense.. so my question is this.....why do you think the wt forces a man to drop all the way "down" to publisher if he no longer wants to serve as an elder?.

RichardHaley

Many I have known over the years have stepped aside for various legit reasons and have been re-appointed straight back as an Elder in 1 to 3 years (no wrongdoing). The rule of thumb I always heard was within a year but what is said and what is done are sometimes different. Of course the original issue would have been needed to be addressed, sickness, work issues etc. and would be asked of you. If you took a break longer than 1 year you could or would be used as a MS first before becoming an Elder again. I don't think there is a hidden agenda to humiliate one.

The announcement to the cong. does not give away any reason for your removal and my experience was there was much speculation in the hall as to why I was no longer serving. One of my children was targeted as disqualifying me by several families and was being partially shunned by some but the wife and I straightened that out, without any help from the BOE I might ad.

I don't comment, quit the school, no FS report and barely make meetings any longer so no "privileges" are asked of me but when the trash cans out back are full I still get a call. lol guess some "privileges" you just can't get rid of!

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A Dazzling apologist effort concerning Watchtower United Nations N G O

by Terry in

introduction: in the beginning.

how it all started.

read this chapter.... know your ngos!.

RichardHaley

I wonder if they have a "vatican library card" up their sleeve somewhere?

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Stupid paragraph in this weekends wt study

by stuckinarut2 in

how's these comments in this weeks study?.

i understood that i had neglected my children when they most needed my guidance and affection, admits eduardo.

i had not been there to read them bible stories, to pray with them, to cuddle them, and to play with them.

RichardHaley

Don't try to better your family's situation, just stay home and be poor. When you finally can't take it anymore and are ready to hang yourself we got that covered too... go to the nearest KH and get washed out to sea!

26

I was told...

by molybdenum in

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RichardHaley

I was told I wouldn't graduate from hight school... I did in 1975. lol

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When Was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed references

by GoUnion in

this topic has been covered extensively but i just wanted relate what hapopenes with this subject and my elder father.

he called me up one day to check in on me he always asks if i'm going to msettings and i always tell him no im not.

well this time he wanted to know why i didn't trust the g.b.

RichardHaley

I especially like the above mentioned series because the evidence presented is overwhelming. Also if your father would like a simple version to get started using the WTS own publications that contridict what they teach this is also a great video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrCleOXkYu0

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My quest for knowledge "Can birds Fart"?

by jam in

i think i'm going over the edge with my quest for knowledge.

lol.

but there was a research on this subject and finally science answers.

RichardHaley

I used to raise Ostriches and though I never heard one... they sure smell like they did. In all seriousness a birds gut is different than mammals, the bacteria in our intestines that produce gas are not in birds digestive systems with exception of some domesticated species like turkeys.

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All that Money

by Crazyguy in

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its amazing that they preach that the world is about to come to an end so soon but they won't spend a dime of their own money to get the message out.. i mean think about it, a couple years back a california preacher with less than 100k followers and about 100 millions dollars was able to get his message out that the world was coming to an end in 2012 and people heard about his message globally.

the org on the other hand sold over a billion dollars worth of real estate and hasn't spent a dime to get its message out.

all the halls were built with the local brothers contributions same can be said of circuit assembly and branch sites.

RichardHaley

"The issue is that they don't believe it enough to put their money where their mouth is, and make a financial plan to exhaust their financial resources in X amount of years by spending it in radio, TV social networks and other effective means of communication."

spot on!

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Jehovah's Witnesses: Hypocrisy on steroids

by Watchtower-Free in

found this on youtube.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eot8sac9-no.

RichardHaley

Rutherford looks psyco in the pic...