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  "You will never grow old in this present system of things" -- some campaign tools

  by FatFreek 2005 in

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  i am approaching 76 years old.

  i can clearly recall that awake!

  statement and similar during the pre-1975 hype -- "staying alive in '75", et al.

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  RichardHaley

  I agree with all the above comments. I remember the period well. All the rhetoric and propaganda. Pressure from parents and the rest of the jw world caused me to take the plunge in '73 @ 16. Parents still alive and active. Totally deny the 75 fiasco. To quote my dad, "when I read between the lines all I see is blank spaces." I give up talking to them about anything jw anymore. At least they hang out with me and are otherwise great to be around.

  Other family members (since the convention) are semi-shunning me since I am "spiritually weak." I bite my tongue for the sake of the grand-kids, nieces and nephews, otherwise I wouldn't care.
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  why would God and Jesus hate the united nations?

  by nowwhat? in

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  shouldn't they say thanks for" holding down the fort" until we take over?.

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  According to jw propaganda God has allowed mankind 6k years to try all forms of government to prove that man can't successfully rule himself, the UN being the last ditch effort on mankind's part. Of-course that line of reasoning doesn't take into account that the deck has been stacked against mankind by confining Satan and his demons to the vicinity of the earth to perpetrate all kinds of evil disrupting any honest effort.
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  Serena

  by Darryl in

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  2. friends

  i was watching serena win yet another wimbledon title recently (congrats to her) but it got me to thinking about her for a moment.

  she identifies herself as a jw and if you look up any info on her it will tell you that her religion is jw so that means that she herself and the rest of the world identifies her as a jw.. for those of us who are df'd as well as those of you who are about to be df'd what is the reason?

  and what is the main difference between a df and a fade away?

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  RichardHaley

  You can't be disfellowshipped OR disassociated if you've never been baptized.
  

  exactly... and not even a marking talk ... no cards in any congregation file as an un-baptised publisher...

  Members are taught to shun ones who automatically disassociate themselves by no longer remaining politically neutral... joining the military. As long as they are not attending cong mtngs, no announcement made.

  If she or her sister were to attend mtngs occasionally might be a different story. Most likely assigned a handler study conductor like MJ or Prince were, to limit media damage and to court large donations.
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  At a regional convention today....

  by Nobodyspecial in

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  2. friends

  it really stands out to me just how phoney the bonds of forced brotherhood are.

  the smiles are paper thin when they see each other in hotels.

  the laughs forced.

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  RichardHaley

  I am missing the rc completely this year, although my family is there right now. Over the last couple of years I have been able to reduce attendance a day at a time. I doubt anyone in the congo will notice since I have been absent since memorial. My better half would rather not be there either. Not as far as me in the fade but making progress. There are some elderly ones (elders) at the local hall who have stayed home this year and have been given "special access" to view the event online. lol Prostrates have had access for weeks!
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  List of "pagan" things JW's allow

  by problemaddict 2 in

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  2. beliefs

  what i'm looking for specifically is things that are "pagan" in the sense they predate christianity (or i guess judiasm to cover the ole mosaic code), that jw's allow or do.

  the ones that come to mind are below.. rings - rings seem to originate in egypt.

  for wedding ceremonies it became a symbol of "ownership" in rome.. pinatas - looks like possibly it originated in china as a part of the new year and a request for luck, and catholics later turned it into a beating of temptation type thing.. anything else?.

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  RichardHaley

  An elder standing on my front porch told me that my wind chime (made it myself) was of pagan origin and was used to keep evil spirits away. I looked him up and down and said "obviously doesn't work, guess I will have to make another."
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  Jehovah's Terrorist?

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  jehovah’s terrorist?.

  (a personal memoir).

  john f. kennedy's brother, robert (bobby) was assassinated in 1968 shortly after he won the california democratic presidential primary.

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  RichardHaley

  PDF of Los Angeles News Dispatch article:http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/K%20Disk/Kennedy%20Robert%20F%20Assassination%20Clips/Item%20062.pdf)

  The above link is broken?
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  Jehovah Witness vs Jehovah's Witness

  by Simon in

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  being brought up as a jehovah's witness means you are so used to the term that you rarely stop to think about it.. one thing i've noticed is that people unfamiliar with the religion will say "jehovah witness" (no 's) instead which i always found a bit grating.. but watching the us election, something struck me.

  people are often referred to as "trump supporters", not "trump's supporters" and so on.

  thinking about other things, people would say they were "united fan's", not "united's fans" and so on.. it seems weird that a group would refer to themselves as though it was someone else talking about them (in the 3rd person, if i have that right).. what do you think?

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  When I was growing up being called a "jw" was considered an insult. I was "One of Jehovah's Witnesses." So while I was active it always bothered me when other jws would say they were "a Jehovah witness." I would even correct them. Now I could care less. And it does amaze me that the term JW is now being promoted by the borg. The almighty God being reduced to a "J." Not much of a witness if you ask me.
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  Question about baptism around 1973- can anyone answer for me?

  by Virgochik in

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  2. beliefs

  i am hoping someone will take a look at this and be able to help me with my question.. i was baptized in 1973, you know, because i was a teenager and old enough to stand on my own when armageddon descended in 1975. .

  perhaps elders, or any former elders especially, but anyone who was around then could help me with this question, because i honestly don't recall, and really need to know.. what were the baptismal questions the candidates responded to back then?

  were we still asked if we repented of our sins, turned around, and were being baptized in the name of the father, the son and the holy spirit?.

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  RichardHaley

  I was baptized in '73 myself!

  Baptismal questions from the May 1, 1973 Watchtower, p. 280:

  (1) Have you repented of your sins and turned around, recognizing yourself before Jehovah God as a condemned sinner who needs salvation, and have you acknowledged to him that this salvation proceeds from him, the Father, through his Son Jesus Christ?
  

  (2) On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for salvation, have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through Jesus Christ and through the Bible under the enlightening power of the holy spirit?
  
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  The humorous thread...pros cons and all....

  by The Rebel in

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  let's face it when we find ourselfs in a tight corner, if we can be quick witted, and come up with a quick as a flash " quick witted" reply, we can defuse a controversial an embarrassing situation instantly.

  for example oscar wilds wit is legendary and these comments could defuse any situation:-.

  " i dislike arguments of any kind.

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  Purple and rides a beast?

  Babylon the grape.
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  The humorous thread...pros cons and all....

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  let's face it when we find ourselfs in a tight corner, if we can be quick witted, and come up with a quick as a flash " quick witted" reply, we can defuse a controversial an embarrassing situation instantly.

  for example oscar wilds wit is legendary and these comments could defuse any situation:-.

  " i dislike arguments of any kind.

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  RichardHaley

  The 3 smallest people in the bible...

  Samuel read the law in the kings ear.

  Peter slept on his watch.

  Knee-hi-amiah