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  Tamar was not a harlot, so Judah did not commit fornication

  by opusdei1972 in

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  this is a portion of what the insight book says about the affair between judah and tamar:.

  therefore, subsequent to judahs becoming a widower, tamar, on learning that her father-in-law was going to timnah, disguised herself as a prostitute and then seated herself at the entrance of enaim on the road judah would be traversing.

  not recognizing his daughter-in-law and assuming her to be a prostitute, judah had relations with her.

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  So if Jesus was on the TV prog. "Who do you think you are?" he'd find out something racy about one of his human forbears.
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  Can anyone disprove 607 BCE date using only the NWT and WT literature?

  by Bart Belteshassur in

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  i haven't come across any arguement that does not involve secular history and external references.

  in fact the wt can not get to 607 bce without using external sources as in knowing that they need to get back from 1914 ce to 607 bce, and botching an argument using an external date as reference to create their start point at 537 bce.. i realize that to get the final date we must provide a fixed figure from somewhere which can only be a historical source, but the objective would be to disprove the wt flim flam.

  once that is achieve we can use which ever fixed historical point they wish to chose.

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  This is not a scriptural source, but has anyone read The Gentile Times Reconsidered by Carl Olof Jonsson? Or does anyone remember the shirty comment in a KM circa 1980 about, " some brothers are even writing their own chronologies?" This book is one of the finest pieces of research I've come across on the subject and the Swedish brother's story, briefly outlined in the preface will come as no surprise to most of us. I highly recommend this book.

  PS Yes of course he was disfellowshipped. The dirty dealings of the society in this case really disgusted me.
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  Hello

  by lurkernomore in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i thought it was high time to introduce myself (without my name of course).

  as my name would suggest i have been reading your intriguing post, thoughts and discussions for some time now.

  around 3/4 months to be exact.. i guess to start with it would seem fitting to give a little background on my current situation.. i'm a born-in, but have over the last few years found that through a number of varying occurences, (some of which i may discuss in future posts) that my 'zeal' has gone from regular field service and meetings to no service in over a year and very sporadic meeting attendance.

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  Stormcrow

  Welcome to you both.

  Hampshire UK.
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  The Evolution of Jesus presence moving from 1874 to 1914?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm trying to get an accurate understanding of when and how they moved jesus invisible presence from 1874 to 1914. i guess officially it wasn't until 1943 but it seems that they were talking about it and writing about the change as early as 1925?

  please enlighten me on how and why they made the change.

  i wish to be able to explain this accurately to my daughter.

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  Found this : www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/607-1914-7-times-history-php
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  The Evolution of Jesus presence moving from 1874 to 1914?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm trying to get an accurate understanding of when and how they moved jesus invisible presence from 1874 to 1914. i guess officially it wasn't until 1943 but it seems that they were talking about it and writing about the change as early as 1925?

  please enlighten me on how and why they made the change.

  i wish to be able to explain this accurately to my daughter.

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  Correction Stormcrow : John Brown, not Smith.
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  The Evolution of Jesus presence moving from 1874 to 1914?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm trying to get an accurate understanding of when and how they moved jesus invisible presence from 1874 to 1914. i guess officially it wasn't until 1943 but it seems that they were talking about it and writing about the change as early as 1925?

  please enlighten me on how and why they made the change.

  i wish to be able to explain this accurately to my daughter.

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  Correction rjharris, it was neither Barbour nor Russell who originated 1914 as the end of the gentile times. It was an Englishman called John Aquila Smith in 1810. I am now going to rake through my dusty tomes, to find a reference for you. Watch this space. Got to go out first with He Who Must be Walked Right now-or he'll knock the door down.

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  why did they have to butcher the kingdom melodies?

  by purrpurr in

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  2. bible

  its not like there was anything wrong with them was there?

  i used to love the old ones.

  these new ones feel like the equivalent of a deflated balloon.. does anyone have the answer?.

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  Does anyone remember the green songbook before the pink one? 1950s + 60s. It had music which, even to a child, sounded holy. The reason given for chucking the green one in favour of the new pink one, was because the songs sounded too much like hymns. Definition of the word hymn : Song of praise to a deity.

  I never liked the brown one when it came out. Calling the newer songs pianistic is ever so polite. I thought those ones sounded as if they were written by Beethoven \ Chopin wannabees, and I have read more meaningful lyrics in Rupert the Bear. My favourite song was " The heavens declare god's glory." Did that one make it through the filter?
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  the end did come???

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i believe after russel died that rutherford about russell's perdiction of armageddon in 1914-15 said that the end did come and now millions now living will not die.

  has anyone read how rutherford explained or his reasoning for the end did come?.

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  Neither Russell nor Rutherford ever believed or preached that Christ's invisible presence began in 1914. They did believe that it was the end of the gentile times, but as Capt.O said, it wasn't until 1943 ( one year after Rutherford's death) that they associated 1914 with the Presence.

  Crazyguy, the only comment I know of that Rutherford made concerning his prophecies in the Millions book, was when he said, " I made a complete ass of myself over that." It's the only time I ever liked the guy.
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  I had a Tarot card reading

  by LisaRose in

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  2. friends

  so, i am in washinton state visiting my son and his family and we went to a concert that had a fortune tellers booth, actually a gypsy wagon.

  i decided to do something no jw would ever do, have a tarot card reading.

  i wasn't really expecting anything, as i don't believe they are connected with the satan, but i don't believe they can actually read your future either.

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  DATA-DOG, why would Satan want to free humans from a life of servitude? Out of the goodness of his heart? If successful, does that mean humans end up serving him? He doesn't strike me as the humble type; however, I am heartily sick of the Demons and Satan being perpetual scapegoats for every little thing.
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  JW.ORG TRADEMARK DENIED

  by NAVYTOWN in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i saw on another forum that the trademark application for the 'jw.org' logo had been denied by the trademark office.

  it is too similar to the logo of another company.

  there is an appeals process that presumably gives the watchtower a chance to get the decision reversed.

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  Perhaps somebody should get Jesus' whip out!