Posts by aniron

i always wondered why the jw religion doesn't list their location and invitation to their meetings in the local "church and worship places section of our paper?.

i was told when i was a jw that it is because they are no part of "babylon the great".

i settled for that.. .

aniron

Here in Britain, you get the odd Kingdom Hall listed in phone book.

I asked about it years ago. I was told that unlike other churches, which usually have an office or an official ministers house that can be called. JW congregation having a body of Elders, there is no one person who could be contacted. Presiding Overseers/Elders may change, so it would mean having to keep changing the phone numbers in the directory. So they saw no point in listing themselves in any directory. Sometimes you might get a local list of places which would give the address of a Kingdom Hall.

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Why do the English make fun of 'gingers'??

by Jez in

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were orange haired people thought to be from some tainted lineage?

just curious jez

aniron

According to a TV item the other day the term "chav" now means people, usually young, who have lots of money to spend but have no idea how to spend it. Prime examples being footballers wives/girl friends , like Wayne Rooneys girl Colleen McCoughlin. They can usually be spotted by their garish outfits, mismatched clothes, lots of gold jewelery etc., continuous shopping sprees.

Also the term "ginger" is short in rhyming slang . For "Ginger Beer" meaning "Queer" ie. homosexual.

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HOW MANY JW'S DOES IT TAKE TO CHANGE A LIGHTBULB?

by Outaservice in

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outaservice (enquiring minds want to know)

aniron

One JW in Brooklyn

But there has to be a talk at a District Convention to explain why it was change.

Followed 3 months later by a Watchtower study article, explain in detail why, it was changed. Using the original Greek and Hebrew words to show why.

This will be followed by some JW's leaving because this is the umpteenth time we have had to change the bulb. Some will leave because the "new light" has exposed the lies of the WT.

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Did you ever experience Holy Spirit?

by Ring Wielder in

i was a jw for 40 years.

although as an individual/cong/body of elders holy spirirt was prayed for, i cannot think of one moment when i thought..right now i have gods spirit acting upon me.

it was never described adequately for me to completely understand and i suspect that others felt the same, yet everyone talked as though they knew exactly how it worked.

aniron

Similar to RW and Gordy.

I never knew if the HS was supposed to operate on us as a congregation or as individuals. If anything went wrong in the congregation it was because something was blocking "Jehovahs spirit". Knowing some of the things that went on in the congregation, its a wonder we ever received the HS.

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Can you solve this paradox?

by Rod P in

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you have a bow and arrow.

you shoot the arrow with the bow from point a to point b.. but the arrow will never reach point b, it's destination.

before the arrow can reach point b, it must first travel half way (let's call that point c).. but before the arrow can reach point c, it must first travel half way (let's call that point d).. but before the arrow can reach point d, it must first travel half way (let's call that point e).. do you see the problem?

aniron

Do you see the problem? In other words, before an arrrow can travel anywhere, it must first travel half-way, no matter how short or how small the distance. It will always be half way before it can reach the whole of any distance. This half-way can divide and sub-divide, and sub-sub-divide ad infinitum. Therefore logically, the arrow can never reach its final destination. Yet we all know that the arrow does reach Point B from Point A.

Point A must be half way to point X.

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Was I Disrespectful to Dr Singelenberg?

by slimboyfat in

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as some may know, richard singelenberg is a dutch anthropologist who studies jehovah's witnesses.

he has produced academic articles and reviews on issues ranging from the 1975 disappointment and child custody cases to jehovah's witnesses in nazi germany and the history of the blood doctrine.

sometimes he sides with apostates and sometimes he sides with the witnesses on controversial issues (though i personally suspect the former impulse is greater than the latter).

aniron

slimboyfat

As the argument seem to arise over whether blood tranfusions where forbidden in 1944 or 1945.

On what basis do you say it was 1944 from what I have read you have offered no evidence from WT sources that they were.

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seethesky

Why get upset over HS comment on the legal issues. You don't have to be a lawyer to understand some basics of law, especially these days were you can be sued for some ridiculous things. In my job in the security industry I have to know the law, but I'm not a lawyer. Does that disqualify me from doing my job?

In fact I was going to post exactly the same points she made about its more likely the WT fear of litigation, that probably made them cut back on actually mentioning people. Probably just as well I didn't otherwise you would have accused me of the same thing.

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Anyone know where this is from?

by aniron in

anyone know where this quote highlighted below is from i picked it up from somewhere but missed from where its from or who said it.. .

you have advanced, not christ, but your own agenda.

you have had your reward in full.

aniron

Anyone know where this quote highlighted below is from I picked it up from somewhere but missed from where its from or who said it.

You have advanced, not Christ, but your own agenda. You have had your reward in full. Boast in yourself further. Make big boasts. Claim His throne itself and seat yourself on it. Your time is coming. Your future is dark. Your end is coming.

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Where was J.F. Rutherford burried?

by Stealth in

i have heard speculation that he could be burried in san diego at beth sarim or somewhere on statin island ny.

why is this such a big secret to the wt?

is there anyone still alive who knows where rutherford was burried?.

aniron

Interview with Watchtower Attorney Hayden Covington

http://www.freeminds.org/history/covington.htm

Covington: Oh yes, don't kid yourself about that later. Brother Rutherford had to get away from the intense cold in the East in the winter time. He had a collapsed lung and there was a danger he could contact pneumonia because of that experience when he fell in the water and nearly froze to death in Missouri. Remember he said he wasn't turning any book agents away from his office. When Rutherford was behind bars he put his hands on the bar and said to Jehovah, "If you ever get me out of here I am going to give the old wore [the Catholic Church] the worst licking that she ever had..." and he dedicated his whole life, remaining life, to that pursuit.

Sis. Murray: He sure did, he really let her have it!

Bro. Murray: You came out here to San Diego, were you with him when he died?

Covington: Yes. He died in San Diego because he had been operated on for cancer of the colon in Indiana ... cancer is a consuming thing, and it gradually began to eat his body down where there was little weight on him and he called Brother Knorr and Brother Franz and I out to San Diego. We went out on the Santa Fe train, the Chief and we went there to meet with him and he knew he was dying and he wasn't any maudlin ... he knew he wasn't going to live too long. So he put his hands on the heads of all of us boys and asked us to stick together. That's when I made that declaration that Fred Franz quoted at the assembly in Cincinnati. We all called him Pap, for short, meaning Pappy he was really our father, not our real father you know, but because of age we consider him to be giving us orders. So I said to him, "Well Pap, we'll fight them together till hell freezes over."

Covington: When we were at the assembly in Cincinnati Fred Franz told the Brothers about that quote, which I meant to. It was like we skated on the ice. The lord will make it so.

Bro. Murray: What happened the body, did he want to buried out in San Diego?

Covington: He had no desire to be buried in any place but he had to. He knew he was dying and would have to be buried. He was sensible enough to know that he didn't want to have his bones hauled all the way back to Brooklyn. So he suggested to us that when the time came for him to be buried he wanted to be buried out there. We tried to get him buried there in the Beth Serum property. That was a big property in behind there, went all the way down to Montezuma Road, and then Brother Heath had that big house over across the way that his mother had given him money to build. It would cost a half a million dollars to build and duplicate now, or more. We tried to get him buried at that property and the board in San Diego turned us down. They didn't want him buried anywhere out there, there was so much hostility and hatred against the Judge out there. The authorities turned us down, every turn we took. I filed a lawsuit then in the courts out there in San Diego to force them to let us bury him out there on that property. Judge Mundo, who was the judge of the Superior Court, heard it and passed the buck, jumping from one thing to another, from one technicality to another, and finally after looking at the matter in a reasonable way Bill, Bonnie, and Nathan and all of us decided that we have fought enough on this and it looks like its the Lord's will that we take his body back to Brooklyn, and have him buried in Staten Island, which we did. So Bill and Bonnie were on the train with his body. And Fred, Nathan, and I had already come back and were working. I was trying to get his bones under the ground by legal mandate and we couldn't get it, and there was no other thing to do. And we did, and that ended that. He was laughing down from heaven at us scurrying around trying to get his bones buried.

Bro. Murray: He was probably pleased that you finally decided to let it go! "Didn't I ever teach them boys anything?" He probably couldn't see how that was connected with anything. Since you loved the man that was why it was so important to you.

Covington: We wanted to do his will as best we could, not his will, but Jehovah's will and he had to be buried someplace. It wasn't reasonable to haul his body all the way across the country, but we finally had to do that.

Sis. Murray: Well how long did it take by train?

Covington: It took about two and a half to three days. Two and half days from San Diego and I made that trip a lot of times. From New York to San Diego; it takes two and a half days on a Pullman. Of course, we rode Pullman. We went first class, Brother Rutherford told me, "I want you, whenever you travel, to travel first class." And so I did, and Brother Heath did, Nathan Knorr did, and Freddy Franz did too, all the whole bunch of us did.