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  OMG - January JW Broadcast - be sure to only talk to people who think like you

  by bafh in

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  i couldn't stand it.

  it was so horrible.

  they really want people to stay simple and obedient.

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  Naoscillator

  Funny how evolution is such a dirty word. 
  

  A decade ago I heard a CO saying nearly everything Morris said, down to the anecdote about the young man, (a MS in the CO's version) coming back from university believing in evolution and with serious doubts about "the truth". Even then as a full-on loyalist I wondered how this seems to happen so easily to so many. An absurd idea like evolution couldn't put a scratch in our iron-clad truth! Then I realized I everything I "knew" about evolution was from, you guessed it, the Creation book. It was years before I dared look further into what the WT calls "a religious doctrine couched in scientific language." 

  Yeah, they won't tell you not to send your children to what essentially is Satan's Little Shop of Spiritually Perilous Ideas. That's your own personal decision if you sacrifice your child to Satan's world, the GB dignified you with making that (wrong) choice for yourself! 
  
  
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  New requirement to become an Elder or Ministerial Servant!

  by hardtobeme in

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  it has been a few months since i hear this from an elder.

  he said that the c/o told them this new requirement.. "men that wanna be an elder or ministerial servant has to go out to field service on sundays.

  if there is an elder or ministerial servant that is not going out to field service on sunday can lose the priviledge".

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  Naoscillator

  I was in an elders and servants meeting with the CO a couple of years back when the CO laid this out as a requirement but didn't stipulate any consequences for not following it.
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  ALERT: NEW LAWSUIT settlement - $13 MILLION

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  2. child-abuse

  http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/135m-awarded-to-bible-teacher-gonzalo-campos-alleged-abuse-victim-jose-lopez-281031832.html.

  (published thursday, oct 30, 2014).

  thursday, oct 30, 2014 updated at 11:58 pm pdt.

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  Naoscillator

  DD, I only got my spouse to see that the elders in San Diego were at fault. I know, though, that nobody could have told me that WT org. was responsible before I could see it for myself. With 20 more cases in Zalkin's cannon, the last pockets of resistance in many people's minds will be sure to fall. Slowly but surely.
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  Gerrit Losch's "I DO NOT ANSWER TO WATCHTOWER"

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  2. current

  in gerrit losch's public statement to the superior copurt of california.

  http://www.watchtower.exposed/?p=364.

  documents: https://www.dropbox.com/s/49zyexvagn7ux7j/losch%20public%20statement.jpg?dl=0.

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  Naoscillator

  Amazing how segregated and mutually exclusive these departments and legal entities of Jah's United Organization become whenever it's convenient, eh?

  You could quote Losch's declaration verbatim to any JW, and they would dismiss it as an "apostate lie" since it's so far outside of how everyone in the organization perceives the role of the GB. Or worse, excuse his obfuscation as protecting Kingdom Interests like he's supposed to do til the bitter end.
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  Governing Body Member Gerrit Loesch Must Eventually Take The Witness Stand In Child Molestation Lawsuits

  by frankiespeakin in

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  2. child-abuse

  with many more cases in the offing the zalkin lawfirm will press the issue again and again and force gerrit loesch to testify.

  what say you?.

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  Naoscillator

  Turns out the judge was immune to GB mind-tricks.
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  Gerrit Losch's "I DO NOT ANSWER TO WATCHTOWER"

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. social
  2. current

  in gerrit losch's public statement to the superior copurt of california.

  http://www.watchtower.exposed/?p=364.

  documents: https://www.dropbox.com/s/49zyexvagn7ux7j/losch%20public%20statement.jpg?dl=0.

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  Naoscillator

  Losch and his counsel think this statement clears him of having to answer for Watchtower:

  "I do not have, and never have had, any authority as an individual to make or determine corporate policy for Watchtower or any department of Watchtower."

  Sure. It's only the GB and its service committe of which Losch is a member that get to do these things. The days of Rutherford and his autocracy are long gone, so of course Losch has no authority over WT as an individual.

  If this statement of his somehow stands in appeal then next time, better subpoena the whole service committee. Or better yet, the whole GB. What then, will they say the GB does not determine WT policy either? What authority would they not have collectively that Losch does not have as an individual? They'd have to get pretty creative to answer that.
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  one last step..Is being mentally out the same as being emotionally out?

  by MissFit in

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  we talk here about the importance of being mentally and physically out to be really free.. what about being emotionally free?.

  i realized for me, i had to be emotionally awake first.

  i had been yo-young back and forth for years.

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  Naoscillator

  Mentally out. Physically in. And, thanks to this thread, I realize that I am still in physically because of still being in emotionally.
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  New JW Podcast Show - Amazing Interview with Irwin Zalkin!

  by God_Delusion in

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  2. friends

  hello guys & gals!.

  we've just launched our brand new episode, s01e01 - irwin zalkin, which we recorded last night.. you can listen to it right here - http://www.jwpodcast.org/2014/11/03/s01e01-irwin-zalkin.

  in this ground-breaking bumper show, we interview irwin zalkin, the lawyer who filed and won this new child abuse case against the watchtower organisation, which saw the victim, jose lopez awarded $13.5 million.. i think you'll agree with me (after listening to the interview) that irwin really knows his 'watchtower' stuff!.

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  Naoscillator

  Now if we could just get it piped into a few Kingdom Halls...
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  ARE JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES CREATIONISTS OR EVOLUTIONISTS?

  by Viva la Vida in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the answer to this question is not that easy or obvious as you might think.

  if your answer is "creationists" you are wrong, they are evolutionists a rare breed of evolutionists, but evolutionists at last .. at this stage of my argumentation you might think i have lost my mind for stating jehovahs witnesses are evolutionists, but this might be because you are thinking as the wt has taught you to think.

  the wt has presented a distorted view of the theory of evolution.

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  Naoscillator

  I have pointed out to a few fellow JW's that "we" are, in fact, old-earth creationists. The type of creationism used as a straw man in the magazines is young earth creationism. Not that any of it matters.

  Somebody in the writing department is employing some advanced doublespeak to acknowledge the growing mountain of evidence for evolution while at the same time reiterating the perennial "evolution false, creation true" stance. For example: the March 2014 Awake said this:

  • The kinds of animals and plants created by God have obviously undergone changes and have produced variations within the kinds. In many cases, the resulting life-forms are remarkably different from one another.

  • The Bible account of creation does not conflict with the scientific observation that variations occur within a kind.

  Nevermind that a "kind" is no scientific classification and no one seems to agree what exactly a "kind" is.

  How is "evolution" defined by Webster's dictionary?

  biology : a theory that the differences between modern plants and animals are because of changes that happened by a natural process over a very long time

  : the process by which changes in plants and animals happen over time

  : a process of slow change and development

  The intellectual dishonesty of admitting to a fact by describing it but refusing to identify it by name is astounding.

  EDIT: As has been pointed out, we have the added bonus of all this evolution change having happened in the last 4000 years. So maybe God hasn't rested from his creative works?
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  "We're calling on your neighbours to promote a website"

  by Simon in

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  2. beliefs

  wow, it's true - they don't call to 'promote god's kingdom' anymore but just their website!.

  we just had an old lady call and tell us that was exactly what they were doing and it has "lots of good things on their for children".

  yeah, right ... sparlock?.

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  Naoscillator

  "Advertise, advertise, advertise the King and his Kingdom JW.ORG!"