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  Anthony Morris claims "dogmatic" does not apply to GB.

  by Sanchy in

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  so i was scrolling through the latest morning worship videos and found our good friend tony m. explaining why the gb is not dogmatic.

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  you can find hirs reasoning at around the 3:30 mark here..

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  Naoscillator

  The video cut off before he told us the correct term to use, "GODmatic"
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  Updates to Public Talk Outlines 2 & 3

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  will you be a survivor of the last days?.

  serving with jehovah’s unified organization.

  move ahead with jehovah’s unified organization.

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  The old #7 was the most Christian outline I could find when I was looking for a talk to give. This Jehovist revision made me chuckle and shake my head at the same time. So much for 'he who honors the son honors the Father'.
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  Just wondering who on this board has a spouse that is fully in and your awake?

  by goingthruthemotions in

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  2. experiences

  i am just curious who on this board is in the same situation has i am?

  a spouse that is fully brain doogled in and you are awake to ttatt.. without going into serious detail and no names are given.

  i would like to possible talk with one of you all, it's just so helpful to communicate with someone in the same situation as me.. i am located in the southwest united states..

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  It floors me whenever a wife is awake but the husband is still mentally in. It stands to reason that in any marriage, one is more likely to question things and pursue answers. With most of the couples I know in the organization, the man is more likely to raise big questions and less likely to 'wait on Jehovah'. This is just my own experience. Also, these are usually appointed men who have seen more, given more, and in some cases been screwed over more. Just the other day I heard a very responsible brother go on a bit of a rant about recent changes in the organization and then suddenly stop himself with the phrase "of course we don't question Jehovah's organization." Too late.

  Part of the reason for this variation I think is that most JW's, whether conscious of it or not, have a threshold in their mind above which all the decisions are made by Jehovah and below which all the decisions are made by men. For some it's at the congregation level (elders), for some it's at the circuit level (CO) and others take everything with a grain of salt if it didn't come directly from the branch. Still others can be mentally in and yet recognize the factions and power struggles between departments within headquarters, but they still hold the GB as untouchably holy. Fine. Wherever the line is, you can work with it.

  So for me the only way to make progress with those who are still asleep (but stirring) is to push the line back of what's perceived to be done by "men" and what is done by Jehovah. If you can push it all the way above the heads of the Governing Body you get them to see that Jehovah has left the building and before they know it, they're awake. I say all this because this is how it happened for me as I read more and more, and compared it with what I saw. You lose faith at one level, then the next, then it all comes down.

  If you can get a spouse to question the elders, or even a CO, that's progress. Get them to question the branch and you're really getting somewhere. ("Where is all the money going?" is a really good one right now). Question the GB, nearly free. Question Jehovah, definitely over.
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  Embellished assembly interviews/"experiences"

  by ab.ortega in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  oh how wonderful those experiences at assemblies and "schools" are - not.

  at times it seemed as if these "experiences" were scripted.

  the speaker gets criteria in the outline regarding what the experience or interview has to be about.

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  At the "Imitate their faith" assembly, I have heard two different CO's give the same answer to the same question in their interview portion. The question has to do with new understandings, and they both cite how wonderful it is to know that the Faithful Slave is the Governing Body, and how much clearer everything is now thanks to this adjustment. What a coincidence.
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  Just wondering who on this board has a spouse that is fully in and your awake?

  by goingthruthemotions in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i am just curious who on this board is in the same situation has i am?

  a spouse that is fully brain doogled in and you are awake to ttatt.. without going into serious detail and no names are given.

  i would like to possible talk with one of you all, it's just so helpful to communicate with someone in the same situation as me.. i am located in the southwest united states..

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  Awake elder here. My spouse is very in and really only gets excited about cult activities and "privileges".
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  Former DO comments on Overlapping Generations

  by James Jack in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  brother richard (dick) morlan, a former co & do for many years, now lives in gadsden alabama, usa.

  he is 77 years old.

  i saw him at a recent assembly in dekalb county alabama and ask him about the prospects of him dying in this "system of things".. his reply was, "i am going to make it till armageddon, but if i should die before then, then the governing body is going to have to add another overlapping generation to another overlapping generations"!.

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  I heard Morlan speak about ten years ago at my local KH. He packed the house. People came from neighboring congregations just to hear this talk he was known for giving on Revelation. It was just about the most urgent, convincing, and exciting "last days of the last days" talk I ever heard. Everyone hung on his every word, and he seemed so convicted of his material he could barely contain his own excitement. He really knew his stuff, could explain JW end times doctrine backwards and forwards and really sell it.

  In light of this James Jack's story is very interesting indeed. I think some longtime DO's who are both heavily invested and knowledgable are among the most likely to have deconstructed the GB's doctrines over the years. Whether or not they can see that it's all BS I think depends more on their emotional state than on any lack of intellectual capability.
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  Suicide - How many do you know within the JWs

  by Lady Lee in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  thw wts likes to play games with their statistics.

  one interesting but truly tragic is the number of jwhovah's witnesses who commit suicie.. now i suspect that if a person commits suicide shortly before or after they are disfellowshipped then the elders would say that person wasn't a witness or that they had done something so terrible that they were too guilty to admit it and by their action of committing suicide they pretty much declared they were no longer a jw.. yup fancy talk to make sure any crap didn't fall on them.. so my question.. do you know of cases like this?

  if so then can you answer a few more questions.. had this person been dfed or in real danger of being dfed or whatever the equivalent is if they were never baptized?.

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  I know of two active JWs and one former JW who did the deed. Two of these three people were related to me by marriage.
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  Very Weird Experience During Recent Special Talk After Memorial

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hesitantly i attended this talk with my family and sat through it without batting an eye.. mentally i take myself out during the entire meeting some would describe this as daydreaming or zoning out.

  whatever the case may be, for some reason this particular speaker, whom i know of but not personally, got my attention the way he would say certain phrases.

  he cited some texts that directly advised the audience that faith in christ was the only way to salvation.

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  We had a CO who often avoided saying "Jehovah" altogether during prayers. He actually ranted to the congregation about brothers who say "Jehovah" twenty times in their prayer, how ridiculous that sounds. It was one of the very few things on which I agreed with him. He was the most hard-line brother I ever met.
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  Banned from the second school!

  by purrpurr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've been told by a jw friend that when her hall recently had a refurb that big changes were made to the second school.. one, a large sign has been placed on the door telling people not to use it and to sit in the main hall itself.. two,that all the chairs which used to face the large windows looking into the main hall are now side on to the window facing the wall instead.. this is because "so many people were sitting out in there!

  people were finding all manner of exhuses to sit-in there and the brothers want us to all be together in the main hall!

  " she said.. of course i didn't tell her what i really thought of this but seriously?

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  Here's another take on this: I was personally involved in closing off the back school at our KH. Why? A "brother" who displayed all the tendencies of being a pedophile was grooming little girls back there all meeting long. Sometimes holding them on his lap, bouncing them up and down and just staring at their faces stroking their hair. Where were the parents? Right there. He has been warned and so have the parents. It's too bad others have to be inconvenienced because of this creep.
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  Feeling Jealous of True Believers

  by Naoscillator in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  what a simple life it is to be a true believer.

  the cocksureness of people who never for a moment question their core beliefs is something i have come to envy.

  it's altogether foreign, but it sure looks nice over on the other side.. why do some people step into the void of uncertainty while others do everything in their power never to even go near it?

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  Good responses. I should note that the jealous feeling is fleeting and only comes when it feels like the 'unorthodox' information I have helped myself to over the years has gotten me into some sort of trouble.

  Faye, that's the exact sort of thing that actually drives me up the wall. The new JW Broadcasting video series "A _____ist Explains His Faith" does not help and only illustrates the need for intellectual dishonesty for these people to continue as they are. What part of Evolution theory comments on whether or not life originates with God? That's right, it doesn't but the implications are unwelcome for believers.