I would rather bash the Borg than just the bible. Done that loads over the last 10 years since I managed to escape. Phats.
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60Are they either leaving or going full on 'cult mode'? No quarter.
by punkofnice init might just be me imagining things.. i hear things from my jw spies.. from all that's being said, it seems to me that the rank and file(tm), are either waking up to the scam and fading/leaving.
they are going full on 'cult mode' and acting like 'spiritual police'.. is it just me and my imagination?
have others noticed this?.
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Are they either leaving or going full on 'cult mode'? No quarter.
by punkofnice init might just be me imagining things.. i hear things from my jw spies.. from all that's being said, it seems to me that the rank and file(tm), are either waking up to the scam and fading/leaving.
they are going full on 'cult mode' and acting like 'spiritual police'.. is it just me and my imagination?
have others noticed this?.
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I was a born in, Married to a born in, read the bible through & through & now in my mid 50s
The reason was to give my daughter some good ammunition for when she chooses to start her fade.
When she goes to the meetings & assemblies with my wife she just zones out so when I do talk to her she really doesn't know what it's all about. She just goes to support her mum as my wife gets very upset when she stays home.
If someone knows of a Corker of a talk I can ask her to concentrate on that & make notes so we can go through it together with critical thinking. Phats.
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Are they either leaving or going full on 'cult mode'? No quarter.
by punkofnice init might just be me imagining things.. i hear things from my jw spies.. from all that's being said, it seems to me that the rank and file(tm), are either waking up to the scam and fading/leaving.
they are going full on 'cult mode' and acting like 'spiritual police'.. is it just me and my imagination?
have others noticed this?.
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Hi Guys,
Not wanting to redirect anything here as this is all great but could anyone please give me some advise. My 18 year old is already out (For 2 years) but my Wife (Extremely loyal to the borg) & starting to struggle with the BS 14 year old daughter are going to the Bournemouth assembly. I wanted to suggest to my daughter that she rights down all the points in a talk & then when she gets back we can study it & see what's really being said. The questions is. Dose anyone know a good talk that will give me good material to work with so she can start getting some amnumission to help her start to fade? Please. This would help. Phats.
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"Hello from Phats"
by phats inhay out there.. wife got back from her thursday meeting & now she's setteled down with the dog, a v large g&t (maid be me) & watching terminator 2 on the telly with her ipad on her lap looking up places to go for our holiday (& googling symptoms of to many antibiotics as my 16 year old is getting signs of ibs).
so now is a good time to say hello.. well hello.
my name is phats & i'm an ex jehovah's witness.. there, i've said it.. this must be like it is going to your first aa meeting.. i've already used up some of my posts for a newbe but i'm not in to the whole long story thing.. basically i've been out now for 8 years (mentally out for all but four or five of those years of my life when i made the commitment, got baptized & married.).
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Thank you blondie. I have read so many of you coments & they always impress me. I've been told my Avatar is to scary so I'm guess some feel I must be scary to. Well I'm not I promice (Aposty promise) As a quick update as I've not really posted much for 2 years. My eldest daughter is still VERY out & living with a lovely guy & they are so happy. (He is Ex Born in as well) My 14 year old is now looking forward to leaving so here's hoping.
My wife is still in as she can't seem to let go but she is very deferent to how she was 2 years ago. She is now a lot more wised up she even came with me to a friends birthday party would you believe. Yes. It was in a pub & she was just going to drive me so I could have a drink & them come & pick me up (She is a darling I must say) but as I was getting out of the car she just came with me both holding hands as we walked in, She even had a sing with the band for one song. :) NEVER SAY NEVER people. I would NEVER had though that would ever happen. Peace to you all. Phats. PS. Please do post back. I know my posts can be long but I have have the most crazy time in & out of the cult & I promise with all my heart EVERY word is true & can be backed up. I know they sound a little extreme but they are true. This is such a place to have no point in saying anything other that the real truth. Love.
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But where else should we go? Can you answer this question?
by purrpurr inhaving watched many jc youtube videos one question that gets asked is "where else would you go?".
in other words if not jehovah's witnesses then what other religion or organisation would you go to?.
it's one that i have trouble answering, what would you say?.
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That may get you DFed if you are still in though. So act with caution. Phats.
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But where else should we go? Can you answer this question?
by purrpurr inhaving watched many jc youtube videos one question that gets asked is "where else would you go?".
in other words if not jehovah's witnesses then what other religion or organisation would you go to?.
it's one that i have trouble answering, what would you say?.
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Why do you need to go anywhere? Ask yourself. Do I need to be told everything I do, think & say. (If you do them you's in Danger.)
Satan was right. you will have the power to know what is right & wrong & the the borg is screwed. No power = No money stream.
There are loads of places to go where you can choose the kind of people you mix with.
Just my thoughts. Phats.
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What would you like to have known about JWs before deciding whether to get baptised?
by slimboyfat inif you could go back in time and tell yourself one thing about jws would you do it?
and what would you choose to say to yourself?
do you think you could have convinced yourself not to get baptised if you chose the right thing to say?
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Hi Slimboyfat, I would say. Ask, who am I giving myself to. Jehovah or a body of men? & then say. Find out the truth. Phats.
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I'm back
by phats inhi everyone, phats here.
i haven't posted for about 2 years as things have been so busy with work + a nervous breakdown along the way so been on meds & all sorts but things but are now beginning to get stronger & the mists are clearing.
business is great with loads of work.
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Hi Freddo,
Yes. I had been an unwilling MS for way to many years. I never wanted it but I was appointed without being asked. Don't ask me why but all my familly that controlled this kind of thing just wanted it to happen then it happened if you know what I mean.
Anyway. I had never really wanted to do it but I'm ashamed to say it was the easy option because my entire life was being a JW. I'm sure many know the score on that one.
So. me & my wife moved. She did not know what's going on in my head at the time so I just put it down to needing to get to where the work is. Anyway we moved a long way away & I then stopped going to the meetings. I found myself in a limbo land between one congregation & another. so I took some time out. About 3 months. Then we basically ran out of money + we were getting no rent payments from the people renting our house so I'm ashamed to say I went back & no one was the wiser.
I new if I went back I would get work. So I went back said hello. My old cong sent the most glowing report of me that was sickening. They thought I was some super MS when I just was quite not. Anyway had the elder meeting with the customary visit to see me & my wife all nice & proper but as the conversation went on I managed to say to him that he should not take any notice of the letter because it was not a recommendation of me but of them as great MS building men. He's says the body have never had such an encouraging letter & I'm saying it's not accurate.
Well once again I'm flunking of the Thursday meeting with some lame excuse & my wife come back & says "Oh, buy the way you were re appointed today. It was like a kick in the guts. I couldn't believe it. I've done all this & I'm back where I was. I went to the Elders saying aren't you supposed to ask me a question or something & they say "no". It was just a matter of cause with a letter like yours came with such a recomend it just happends.
so I'm screwed & then I'm told to please not stand down as it will shock the congregation. So 10 years later I'm still in. 2 kids & surrounded by JWs left, right & centre.
So I'm keeping my head down avoiding all the if you did this you would qualify for Elder & I'm just trying to keep everybody happy except me.
Then one day I get a call from an Elder buddy of mine. we go back years. I'm thinking what dose he want to borrow now. He says we need to talk & I know what that means. He come around with another Elder (A man I employed for 18 months) To be told I was being removed. I said what are you talking about. They said well you have been given all the encouragement we can give you. you've been told you need to do 2 more ours a week to get to an average of what the society want from MSes. I then informed them I had had no such discussion with anyone apart fro one elder telling me I can count my study time with my girls & that will give me 2 more hours a week & that will mean I'm doing even more time to count & it will look like I'm reaching out.
I said I didn't feel I should count that time. He said "Well the sociaty allows it so there you go" Well, I Didn't.
So I'm then told that my study conductor has been round 3 time & told me what I need to do about this 2 hours (My wife is a regular pioneer for over2 years at this point.) But he never did. He was to lazy. When I told them this there faces dropped. So they went back to him & he said it's true I just never got the time.
Thing is when they came back to me I told them that he had indeed been round on 3 more like 10 or 20 occasions but we watched motor racing together & he drank MY beer & then drove home.
Well it was blank faces all round. They said, "we've sent the paperwork off, it's come back rubber stamped. we can't revoke it. I said "It's fine. Don't worry" All I ask is that when you make the announcement that the next week an Elder stands up & says the body made a mistake in my account & they are sorry for that. Then I said no one will be wondering what bad thing had I done & it would help my wife who was struggling with the whole thing. I was told "NO WAY" I said why not? & they said NO WAY. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. So I showed then scriptures about if a man bull kills a man the family have a say in there recompense, all that but still NO. So because of all the crazy ness & the fact word was getting out that the Elders had mucked up big time & that they we in for an ear bashing so I took this as my opportunity to get the hell out & lay low, be the injured party. Leave him alone, give him some space. So I took my space. 10 years of space so far.
So. No DF. Plenty of contact with family. It's like there's no change, i just don't go. It's crazy but it's true. Learn there game & play them back at it. People say oh! just leave. well for me the thing was I don't want them to have that power over me or my family.
They will always have some power somewhere but I get to say where it is so FeUgCioKgw you to them.
Funny thing is after 10 years my life with my still very loyal wife & 2 girls is great.(One out completelly & the other asking great questions)
I'm as happy as a pig in shxt. I'am as free as I can possibley be under the circumstances that I put myself in back in 1984.
I play my little games as they think i have no idea of what's going on but places like this keep me armed so when someone come in all bubbly about some crazy coincidence that only J could have done I have great stuff to bring them down. Sorry it's just my little let off of steam. Anyway I've taken forever to right this as it would taken you to read it.
I'm rather dyslexic so sorry for my bad spelling & grammar & all my ramblings. Phats.
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I'm back
by phats inhi everyone, phats here.
i haven't posted for about 2 years as things have been so busy with work + a nervous breakdown along the way so been on meds & all sorts but things but are now beginning to get stronger & the mists are clearing.
business is great with loads of work.
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Yes, So much of my family are still super in. This is my 10th summer out. I managed a great fade after the our lazy study conductor mucked up so I saw my opportunity to get out with them not being able to do anything because I had the sympathy of the cong publishers that all new i was doing more than he was. Looking after all his duties as well as my own because his work took him away a lot of the time. Anyway, That's long ago & I"M FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST & IT'S GREAT. Great to hear from you & you're right about seeing people. There still where they have been all there lives. Phats.
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I'm back
by phats inhi everyone, phats here.
i haven't posted for about 2 years as things have been so busy with work + a nervous breakdown along the way so been on meds & all sorts but things but are now beginning to get stronger & the mists are clearing.
business is great with loads of work.
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May I ask how old you are? I'm 52. Phats.