Posts by opusdei1972

certaintly the Flood's account is based on a babilonian myth, which could also be a copy of that of the Hindu mythology (in case of the Hindu civilization be the oldest one).

I have a book in Spanish of an ex-catholic priest who compares the Jewish version of the Flood (in Genesis) with that of the Hindu Mythology and I was impressed by the similarities. So I believe that there was actually a local flood in ancient times, then it inspired the legend, which was theologicaly reconfigured by Jewish scribes, as Witnesses in the writing department do with their stories.

I will read your old threads, thank you.

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JW.org says that the Bible knew that the earth was suspended in empty space

by opusdei1972 in

"the earth is suspended in empty space.

(job 26:7) many ancient peoples believed that the world was a flat disk supported by a giant or an animal, such as a buffalo or a turtle.".

http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/science-and-the-bible/.

opusdei1972

This is what JW.org says :

"The earth is suspended in empty space. (Job 26:7) Many ancient peoples believed that the world was a flat disk supported by a giant or an animal, such as a buffalo or a turtle."

http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/science-and-the-bible/

I think JW.org is missing something. I don't think that Jews believed that the earth was an sphere suspended in empty space.

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Biblical Black & White Proof that The Watchtower is Apostate

by objectivetruth in

i recently sent this to a former friend that called me an apostate.. it's really straight forward, and there is really no way to get around it for the watchtower.

(not that the bible matters to witnesses, but it's good info).

- apostasy.. that's an interesting term, do you know when it was first used in the new testament?.

opusdei1972

Very interesting point. I will do my own research about that. But, if that was the case, may it was because no Jewish christian knew any governing body. May be they did not think that the apostles were divine authorities as the current members of governing body in Brooklyn think they are.

Another possibility is that for jewish christians, the Law of Moses was more authoritative than the apostles. Furthermore, early christians were not so organized.

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How The Bible Was Invented - 3. Song of the Sea (Exodus 15:1b-13)

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

the oldest hebrew in the bible is contained in two songs.. .

the song of the sea.

(exodus 15) and the song of deborah (judges 5).

opusdei1972

How Yahweh emerged is a mystery. It seems clear that the people of Israel believed that there were other true gods besides Yahweh, because they sing "Who is like you, Yahweh, among the gods?".

Was not Asherah his wife?....and why did Elijah kill Baal's priests but not those of Asherah?

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Were Jonathan and Phinehas in the time of Samuel?

by opusdei1972 in

i have read in a past post of leolaia the following words:.

"the grandsons of moses and aaron (jonathan and phinehas) were depicted as still alive in the time of samuel".

where in the bible i can find the above statement??.

opusdei1972

"See their ludicrous and often hilarious two volume work "Insight on the Scriptures"."

Yes, I have read some appologetic arguments in the Insight book about the lack of archaeological findings to substantiate the Exodus' account. However, I have only read excuses.

In the past I ignored these problems, because I thought that the Bible was infalible and inerrant. Now I am noticing that there are many problems to prove the historicity of the accounts given in the first five books of the Bible.

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Were Jonathan and Phinehas in the time of Samuel?

by opusdei1972 in

i have read in a past post of leolaia the following words:.

"the grandsons of moses and aaron (jonathan and phinehas) were depicted as still alive in the time of samuel".

where in the bible i can find the above statement??.

opusdei1972

Here is where Leolaia wrote that:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/169637/1/Any-record-of-Joseph-being-in-Egypt#.U6wsjHLyOPt

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Were Jonathan and Phinehas in the time of Samuel?

by opusdei1972 in

i have read in a past post of leolaia the following words:.

"the grandsons of moses and aaron (jonathan and phinehas) were depicted as still alive in the time of samuel".

where in the bible i can find the above statement??.

opusdei1972

Ok, this seems to be one the verses:

"After that the Dan′ites set up the carved image for themselves, and Jon′a·than the son of Ger′shom, the son of Moses, and his sons became priests to the tribe of the Dan′ites until the day that the inhabitants of the land went into exile. "(Judges 18:30)

However, due to my ignorance, I still don't understand why the allusion of the grandson of Moses (Jonathan) in the above verse suggest that he lived in the time Samuel. Samuel lived before the year 1000 BCE, and the above verse seems to be located chronologicaly after the time of Samson. So, if the time after Samson's death is close to Samuel's time, it would mean that the grandson of Moses lived around 1100 BCE?....if so, the Exodus could not happen around the year 1500 BCE, because the grandson of Moses could not be alive around the year 1100 BCE.

Am I right???

Any thoughts???

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Were Jonathan and Phinehas in the time of Samuel?

by opusdei1972 in

i have read in a past post of leolaia the following words:.

"the grandsons of moses and aaron (jonathan and phinehas) were depicted as still alive in the time of samuel".

where in the bible i can find the above statement??.

opusdei1972

I have read in a past post of Leolaia the following words:

"the grandsons of Moses and Aaron (Jonathan and Phinehas) were depicted as still alive in the time of Samuel".

Where in the Bible I can find the above statement??

I am interested because, if this were the case it could suggest that the actual "Exodus" happened only for the tribe of Levi around 1200 BCE.

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1914 vs 2014

by ILoveTTATT in

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it's amazing to examine the watchtower of 1914 now in 2014... 100 years later.. .

here are some of my comments on the watchtower of 1914:.

second article in january 1st.

opusdei1972

Luke wrote his Gospel after the destruction of 70 A.D. However, the Second Coming did not happen immediately after that Tribulation, as written by Mark. So Luke erased "immediately after " or the greek " en ekeinas tais hemerais meta thn thlipsin", and inserted the phrase :

" they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led captive among all nations; and Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled." (Luke 21:24)

So, by this way Luke got to separate the destruction of Jerusalem with the Second Coming to delay the unfulfilled expectation created by Mark. So, the Watchtower has been putting similar patches.

Of course, Luke did it before the end of that generation, this is why the Gospel of John had to omit that stuff.