It is clear to me that the second letter to the Thesalonians is false. Of course, even the genuine letters could be tampered by disciples after the death of Paul.
opusdei1972
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How dishonest was the Apostle Paul?
by opusdei1972 inmay be some of you will be shocked by this question.
however, when i was studying the bible with critical eyes i detected that paul ( or saul of tarsus) misquoted the hebrew bible in order to get false support for his arguments.
of course, this tricky kind of use of the "scriptures" was not only used by him, but others, like the author of the gospel of matthew got unsupported doctrines misquoting verses.
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Need best info on why Jesus could never have chosen org in 1918?
by GodZoo inhi folks... i was playing a tiny online ipad multiplayer war game last night and one started a dialogue with a another player i was attacking.
in it he quoted a scripture.. and it turns out he he is a 25 year serving jw.
possibly an elder... well.. i spent 6 hours tapping away with one finger in the chat box until 8am this morning with him about all the issues on sex abuse, the money grab and most importantly the subject of jesus turning his attention to the earth and selecting the then bibles students as his one and only people based on what they were teaching (spiritual food) back then.. he knows nothing about any of the current and historic child sex abuse cases (never heard of candice conti etc) and even less about the insane early teachings or russell etc.. i completely blew his mind in our 6 hour text chat not to mention my index finger nearly falling off!.
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opusdei1972
No one saw Jesus coming between 1914 and 1919. Whatever, the Watchtower became more stupid after 1919. The Golden Age Magazine proclaimed that Vaccination was a thing of the Devil, and many believers were deceived by Rutherford through his false prophecy on 1925. Is this what Jesus wanted?? Well, may be, because Christianity is a mess since its creation. -
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How dishonest was the Apostle Paul?
by opusdei1972 inmay be some of you will be shocked by this question.
however, when i was studying the bible with critical eyes i detected that paul ( or saul of tarsus) misquoted the hebrew bible in order to get false support for his arguments.
of course, this tricky kind of use of the "scriptures" was not only used by him, but others, like the author of the gospel of matthew got unsupported doctrines misquoting verses.
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opusdei1972
Here we have a Paul's trick in his use of the Old Testament:
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ. (Galatians 3:16)
Note that Paul is arguing that "sperma" (seed) can't be understood as a collective because it is a singular noun. However, this argument can easily be refuted by reading how "sperma" was used in Genesis 13:15-16.
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How dishonest was the Apostle Paul?
by opusdei1972 inmay be some of you will be shocked by this question.
however, when i was studying the bible with critical eyes i detected that paul ( or saul of tarsus) misquoted the hebrew bible in order to get false support for his arguments.
of course, this tricky kind of use of the "scriptures" was not only used by him, but others, like the author of the gospel of matthew got unsupported doctrines misquoting verses.
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opusdei1972
Indeed Paul was a clever person who used common sense to treat some things like the issue of "food sacrificed to idols". Paul knew that Christianity would never grow if Christians had to follow all of what the Law demanded. However, he had to misquote the Hebrew Bible so as to sustain his theology. -
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People should learn more about the Bible flaws
by opusdei1972 ini have noted that the main problem for those who are seduced by the watchtower society is their ignorance about the bible itself.
people who believe that the bible is the word of god usually ignore the studies on textual criticism and how scientific criteria forbid absurd stories like that of the global flood.
so, i strongly believe that students in schools need at least an obligatory course on "the bible" through the point of view of science and the textual criticism.
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opusdei1972
Interesting. Jesus also implies those who rejected him from his own generation and who saw the Christ and rejected him will not see life. Those from Sodom and Gommorah will do better.
It is very odd that a miracle like the resurrection of Lazarus was ignored by the three first Gospels. It is also very odd that Jews who supposedly saw that rejected him as the Messiah. So, I don't buy that story. To me, it was an invention of the Johanine community at the end of the first century.
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How dishonest was the Apostle Paul?
by opusdei1972 inmay be some of you will be shocked by this question.
however, when i was studying the bible with critical eyes i detected that paul ( or saul of tarsus) misquoted the hebrew bible in order to get false support for his arguments.
of course, this tricky kind of use of the "scriptures" was not only used by him, but others, like the author of the gospel of matthew got unsupported doctrines misquoting verses.
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opusdei1972
May be some of you will be shocked by this question. However, when I was studying the Bible with critical eyes I detected that Paul ( or Saul of Tarsus) misquoted the Hebrew Bible in order to get false support for his arguments. Of course, this tricky kind of use of the "scriptures" was not only used by him, but others, like the author of the Gospel of Matthew got unsupported doctrines misquoting verses. For instance, how could post 70 christians sustain that Mary was virgin after conceiving Jesus?, by quoting Isaiah 7:14 which uses the word virgin in the LXX (not in the Hebrew Bible). Joseph Rutherford seemed to learn this kind of interpretative tricks when he wanted to invent a type anti-type teaching, and so on. Freddy learnt this from him.
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People should learn more about the Bible flaws
by opusdei1972 ini have noted that the main problem for those who are seduced by the watchtower society is their ignorance about the bible itself.
people who believe that the bible is the word of god usually ignore the studies on textual criticism and how scientific criteria forbid absurd stories like that of the global flood.
so, i strongly believe that students in schools need at least an obligatory course on "the bible" through the point of view of science and the textual criticism.
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opusdei1972
Village: thank you sharing your list. I want to comment this
"Jesus curses entire towns for not being impressed by his miracles "
This may prove that Lazarus was never resurrected by Jesus, because no one was impressed by him, and the first three Gospels ignored it.
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People should learn more about the Bible flaws
by opusdei1972 ini have noted that the main problem for those who are seduced by the watchtower society is their ignorance about the bible itself.
people who believe that the bible is the word of god usually ignore the studies on textual criticism and how scientific criteria forbid absurd stories like that of the global flood.
so, i strongly believe that students in schools need at least an obligatory course on "the bible" through the point of view of science and the textual criticism.
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opusdei1972
CalebInFloroda
The first time I heard about the Documentary Hypothesis was when I was receiving obligatory lectures in Theolofy I ( in the Catholic University of Peru). However, the course was not well given.
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People should learn more about the Bible flaws
by opusdei1972 ini have noted that the main problem for those who are seduced by the watchtower society is their ignorance about the bible itself.
people who believe that the bible is the word of god usually ignore the studies on textual criticism and how scientific criteria forbid absurd stories like that of the global flood.
so, i strongly believe that students in schools need at least an obligatory course on "the bible" through the point of view of science and the textual criticism.
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opusdei1972
"I am a huge critic of what's in the bible and how dangerous it's ideas cab be"
Of course, the Bible is dangerous when one considers it as the word of God.
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How much damage has internet done against the The Watchtower Society ?
by opusdei1972 inin the beginning of internet the society was worried about the information published exposing its falsehood.
so, i wonder how many people lost the society on account of forums and web sites like this.
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opusdei1972
Humans have an inbuilt curiosity in them, and the WTS can do nothing to change that.
My first curiosity was to investigate about the Church Fathers of the second century, because I wanted to verify if the early church had the same doctrines of the Watchtower Society. For instance, I wanted to find the soul-sleep doctrine, but I found the contrary. The same happened with the issue of the cross. I found strong evidences pointing that Christ died on a t-shape crux, and so on.
