I found that the other version is the 10th-century Arabic version in which the questioned phrase appears as "he was believed to be Christ". So, if we have two different versions, we know that someone was a dishonest scribe like were many in first four centuries.
opusdei1972
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Did Josephus believe in Jesus as The Christ?
by opusdei1972 inhere is the questioned josephus' text :.
now, there was about this time jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful worksa teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure.
he drew over to him both many of the jews, and many of the gentiles.
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Did Josephus believe in Jesus as The Christ?
by opusdei1972 inhere is the questioned josephus' text :.
now, there was about this time jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful worksa teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure.
he drew over to him both many of the jews, and many of the gentiles.
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opusdei1972
Here is the questioned Josephus' text :
“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.”— Josephus —The Complete Works, translated by William Whiston.
The Watchtower 3/15 2013, says the following about the above text:
Josephus was not a Christian author. He was a Jewish historian; hence, much of the controversy centers on the designation of Jesus as being “the Christ.” On analysis, Bardet asserted that this title corresponds “in every respect to the Greek usage of employing the [definite] article for the names of people.” Bardet added that from a Judeo-Christian perspective, “not only is the use of the term Christos by Josephus not an impossibility” but it is a clue that “critics have in general been greatly wrong to overlook.”
Could it be that the text was embellished by a later forger imitating Josephus ’ style? Drawing on historical and textual evidence, Bardet concluded that such an imitation would be almost miraculous. It would require a forger with “a talent for imitation hardly without equal in all antiquity,” in other words, one who was “as Josephan as Josephus .”
So why all the fuss? Identifying the heart of the problem, Bardet specified that “there are doubts about the Testimonium—in contrast with the majority of ancient texts—simply because questions have been raised about the Testimonium.” He goes on to say that the positions adopted over the centuries are based more on “ulterior motives” than on deductive analysis of the text, which leans heavily in favor of its authenticity................Of course, Jehovah’s Witnesses have even more convincing reason for accepting Jesus as the Christ—that found in the Bible itself.
I don't think that one would need to be "as Josephan as Josephus" to interpolate the phrase : "AUTOS HN O XRISTOS" (He was the Christ). On the other hand, If I remember well, I knew about another version in a manuscript which says "He was called the Christ". Doesn't it?......Whatever, I can believe that Josephus wrote about James, but, I don't buy that he wrote that Jesus was the Christ.
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Finally, Anointedjw Names Some Names
by metatron inhttps://www.anointedjw.org/apostasy_in_fenway.html.
not names of the anointed jws but names of elders and a location.. .
are we getting hints that this thing has legs?.
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opusdei1972
All christians are apostates between themselves, because if someone wants to follow some verse of the Bible, he will contradict another. Of course, the two christian classes is a Rutherford's invention established in 1935.
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Can a religion claim: Only we have the truth?
by Kalos intruth is self-evident (things like: the whole is greater than its part ....).. truth is always right (things like: caring for the accident victim helplessly bleeding on the road ....).. claiming: only we have the truth is like claiming: only my university is useful.
history shows that many school/college drop-outs have made significant contributions to the society like many those who completed their education!
and on the contrary, many school/college drop-outs have made significant damage to the society like some of those who completed their education!
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opusdei1972
You may say that something is true if you can prove its truthfulness. For instance, religions based on the Bible can't comunicate truth, because the Bible itself propagates many lies.
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Watchtower encouraging members to go and preach in Israel
by wannaexit inan odd letter was read at last nights' meeting.
it was in regards to a special campaign for next year arranged by the governing body to go and preach in israel.
the call is going out to anybody that speaks hebrew and english.
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opusdei1972
Jewish don't want the Christian message. They reject the fundation of the New Testament:
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1914
by berrygerry ini've been writing october 1, 1914 as today's date - multiple times.. i guess tomorrow is really branded into my brain.
(anyone else been caught doing this?).
what will the annoucement be tomorrow at bethel?.
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opusdei1972
.....Oh, yeah, I think they will say: "The Gentile Times have ended 100 years ago, their kings still have their day".
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by berrygerry ini've been writing october 1, 1914 as today's date - multiple times.. i guess tomorrow is really branded into my brain.
(anyone else been caught doing this?).
what will the annoucement be tomorrow at bethel?.
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opusdei1972
100 years ago, another false prophecy was not fulfilled.
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What christians don't want to admit
by opusdei1972 inwhen i left the wt organization, i continued to believe in the bible, so i wanted to confirm and refine, as much as possible, my faith that the true god is in the bible.
so i began to discuss with skilled christians, who were also ex-witnesses.
but i was surprised when some of them tried to relax my fundamentalist position on the literalness of the genesis account.
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jgnat It is hard to believe that a God who created us can not intervene due to weakness. Indeed, those who are atheists have good arguments for their position. Of course, I prefer other hypothesis, but we end up always in spectulations . This is why people like the Witnesses are very scared about "independent thinking", because they would discover that all their prepared "answers" to explain God and life are weak, so they would be like us, knowing nothing about the afterlife (if even there is one).
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What christians don't want to admit
by opusdei1972 inwhen i left the wt organization, i continued to believe in the bible, so i wanted to confirm and refine, as much as possible, my faith that the true god is in the bible.
so i began to discuss with skilled christians, who were also ex-witnesses.
but i was surprised when some of them tried to relax my fundamentalist position on the literalness of the genesis account.
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opusdei1972
jgnat --The bible isn't God. This is where those who insist on an inerrant bible to bolster their faith in God get in trouble. Prove the bible fallible, and down goes God, too.
I agree with you: The errancy of the Bible does not prove that God does not exist, it only proves that God is not responsible for what is written there.
However, there are other arguments in which atheists base their disbelief. And I see that I can't give an answer. For instance, if God created us to enjoy this world, why does He permit biological illness? Why does he permit that a natural disaster can destroy an entire population in a region? So, if God created us, it seems clear that He is not worried about our fleshy life.....So, Does he want our worship?...It seems that He is absent in many aspects.
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What christians don't want to admit
by opusdei1972 inwhen i left the wt organization, i continued to believe in the bible, so i wanted to confirm and refine, as much as possible, my faith that the true god is in the bible.
so i began to discuss with skilled christians, who were also ex-witnesses.
but i was surprised when some of them tried to relax my fundamentalist position on the literalness of the genesis account.
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opusdei1972
Hi James Brown:
The Watchtower Society quoted the scientist R.H. Brown, who is/was an Adventist (may be he is dead) of the Adventist Andrews University , to defend the 6000 years of human creation. I was reading some articles published by R. H. Brown, and I found one in which he commented about the book entitled "THE AGE OF THE EARTH", whose author is G. Brent Dalrymple. Let us read what Brown said:
Dalrymple makes a good case for an age of about 4.5 billion years for the material of which the earth, moon, and meteorites are composed. He evidently believes that he has thoroughly discredited special creationism. His treatment in The Age of the Earth has made it much more difficult to plausibly explain radiometric data on the basis of a creation of the entire Solar System, or the physical matter in planet Earth, within the last few thousand years. In my opinion, the defense of such a position is a losing battle. (Origins 19(2):87-90 (1992).)
Note that Brown, an Adventist, had to admit that the defense of a 6 literal days of creation is "a losing battle". But, what was Brown's argument in favor to 6000 years of man existence?.....Brown said that the Flood changed the concentration of carbon-14 in carbon-12, because before the Flood there was much more carbon-12 on account of the great number of animals in the planet. Accordingly, Brown said that the carbon-14 technique could not give the right dates for fossils before the Flood. However, the global Flood did not happen, so Brown used a false assumption to discredit the radiocarbon dates.