Posts by LoveUniHateExams

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Why I became agnostic after leaving the Watchtower

by donny in

one of many things that led me to agnosticism after leaving the jw's was the cognitive dissonance i encountered with those in the mainstream churches, especially the really conservative ones.

these types would scream out in protest (rightly so) on all of the current atrocities going on in the world regarding islam and its radical extremists, but then justify the savage murders and slaughter perpetuated by israel in the old testament.. often i would take these passages and replace the names and places of these scriptures with current ones.

for example 1 samuel 15:3 reads "now go, attack the amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them.

LoveUniHateExams

Good OP, Donny.

I've also become agnostic since leaving the WTS.

For me, as I was leaving, it was the case that the brothers copied the WTS and regularly criticised 'Christendom' but stayed silent on Islamic terrorism. I mean, how can celebrating xmas or easter be worse that suicide bombing or decapitation?! When I put this to a young brother, this was his reply: 'but they're not real muslims. True muslims believe the same as us'

I could have followed this up with ' so, will muslims worship Allah in mosques in the new system?' or 'will Jehovah destroy the religion of Islam at Armageddon?' but there's only so much bullsh1t I can take.

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REASON demands belief in God

by abiather in

it has been the history of mankind that they proceed from the crude to the subtle in all spheres of life: they seek the subtle amidst the crude, and in the subtle, they seek the subtlest.

when hunger is extinguished, humans looked for art.

ancient humans appreciated the harmony of music; they also liked to dance in joy.

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When hunger is extinguished, humans looked for art - we can live without art (and religion) but we can't live without meeting our nutritional requirements.

Therefore eating and drinking must be more important than either art or religion.

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When did you realize evolution was true?

by Coded Logic in

) which person/source first made you reconsider your position on creationism?.

) how long a period of time did it take to fully convince you?.

) what books and videos did you read and watch?.

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1. I was 30.

2. Richard Dawkins.

3. I was fully convinced in about a week.

4.The book that really did it for me was The Blind Watchmaker. I started reading it critically to see if Dawkins would persuade me. He consistently pointed out that creationists misrepresented the process driving evolution, and had reasonable answers to their criticisms. In the end, I read about 2/3 of it.

5. I know biology somewhat better than before as I'm a Biology student and in my final year, and I'm doing well in my degree. But, TBH, I'm just a beginner.

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Why Armageddon Now?

by Garrett in

i've been thinking and here's what i've come up with.

correct me if i'm wrong, but in the bible does it not state that the word would have to be preached throughout the entire inhabited earth for a witness to all people and then the end would come?.

with the world being as vast as it is today, it would be practically impossible for the witnesses to speak to everyone in the world.

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You mean, it will never work for YOU. It always works for MOI - complete bollocks and pretentious bullshit of the highest order.

I always value politeness and tact ...

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Why Armageddon Now?

by Garrett in

i've been thinking and here's what i've come up with.

correct me if i'm wrong, but in the bible does it not state that the word would have to be preached throughout the entire inhabited earth for a witness to all people and then the end would come?.

with the world being as vast as it is today, it would be practically impossible for the witnesses to speak to everyone in the world.

LoveUniHateExams

Why Armageddon Now? - with the WTS, it's always 'Armageddon now'. The Russellites thought the big A would come in 1914/15, Rutherford thought it would come in 1925, Franz thought it would come in 1975, and the current overlords think it will come 'very soon'.

If there was no 'Armageddon' in the scriptures, there would be no WTS.

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Neanderthal man

by scary21 in

jw
friends

my ex husband and father of my daughter was never baptized but is still a believer in the wt.. a couple years ago we were talking about evolution ( which he does not believe in ) i brought up the subject of the neanderthals and how we all have their dna except africans ( the ones that never left africa ).

he said neanderthals are apes and not humans and jw's do not teach that they are humans.

i said i believe they do.. in the life- how did it get here book, under the sub heading " the human family "is says " neanderthal man....... was undoubtedly human.. his response was " they are just talking about what other people believe " ahhhhh .

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Homo Erectus, an ancestor to the Governing Body? - possibly the picture on the left is. I can now see where Brother Lett gets his facial expressions from.

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Neanderthal man

by scary21 in

jw
friends

my ex husband and father of my daughter was never baptized but is still a believer in the wt.. a couple years ago we were talking about evolution ( which he does not believe in ) i brought up the subject of the neanderthals and how we all have their dna except africans ( the ones that never left africa ).

he said neanderthals are apes and not humans and jw's do not teach that they are humans.

i said i believe they do.. in the life- how did it get here book, under the sub heading " the human family "is says " neanderthal man....... was undoubtedly human.. his response was " they are just talking about what other people believe " ahhhhh .

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This is why I don't see the Neanthertal's skull as a human one - Neanderthals are placed within the genus Homo. They're an early type of human.

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Neanderthal man

by scary21 in

jw
friends

my ex husband and father of my daughter was never baptized but is still a believer in the wt.. a couple years ago we were talking about evolution ( which he does not believe in ) i brought up the subject of the neanderthals and how we all have their dna except africans ( the ones that never left africa ).

he said neanderthals are apes and not humans and jw's do not teach that they are humans.

i said i believe they do.. in the life- how did it get here book, under the sub heading " the human family "is says " neanderthal man....... was undoubtedly human.. his response was " they are just talking about what other people believe " ahhhhh .

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Here's a Neanderthal skeleton:

It obviously can't be 'just an ape', it's a type of human. If the WTS admits this, then the belief that humans are only ~6,000 years old becomes even sillier than it already is. According to the book Evolution: The Human Story by Dr Alice Roberts, H. neanderthalensis lived between 350,000 and 28,000 years ago.

Those pesky evolutionists with their satanic facts!

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Take a Break With a Bit of Humour

by Finkelstein in

lets see what we can find on youtube or elsewhere that tickles your funny bone .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyv-qyewpkk.

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Great idea for a thread, Finkelstein. For anybody who likes Extras, here's the best of Darren Lamb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmDhqDGk0K4.

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Religion is nothing but bad ideas

by freemindfade in

in light of the continuing disgusting acts by isis... just remember.

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I agree with you, freemindfade, there are lots of bad ideas in religions, whether it's ISIS beheading a street magician, the OT jews stoning some poor sod for collecting firewood on the Sabbath, or JW parents refusing a blood transfusion and looking on as their child dies a painful death.

OTOH, I suppose religious beliefs often help the believer through the ups and downs of life and provide a moral framework. As long as religious people act within the law and don't harm themselves or others, religious belief should be tolerated, IMO.

Let's face it, religion probably won't go away so it must be tamed.