Here's another voice seeking the recording of Samuel Heard. The recording has been removed from the archive.org link for some reason. I would really like to have that recording.
SuzyQ49418
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GB Samuel Herd on "Angels and Women"
by freetosee ini find it interesting that samuel herd (as co) promoted the book angels and women in his talk "fear of giants".
he called it a fascinating book, once you pick it up you cant put it down without reading it from cover to cover!
he also mentions that russell wrote the foreword of the book and that it can be found in the gilead library.. .
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Jehovah's Witnesses can donate blood
by Marvin Shilmer injehovah’s witnesses can donate blood.
today i added a new article to my blog that answers the question of whether watchtower doctrine forbids jehovah’s witnesses from going to their community blood bank and donating some of their blood to help replace all the products from blood accepted on a daily basis by the community of jehovah’s witnesses.. .
my article is titled jehovah’s witnesses can donate blood and is available at: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2012/03/jehovahs-witnesses-can-donate-blood.html.
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SuzyQ49418
jwfacts,
You write:
Interesting article, but I think it makes it difficult for a JW to donate to the general blood supply, since it states the blood can only be used for "minor fractions" but not the 4 "components".
Plasma donation centers in the US already separate out nothing but plasma and return the rest back to the donor. The plasma is then fractionated for use in medicines so, those types of donations are not "the general blood supply". It seems to me from what I have read of that letter, donating plasma to a plasma center would be allowable. They throw away what they don't use for medicines after extracting the components for medicines. Let THAT get out into congregations of largely financially struggling witnesses! They can put an extra $200+ in their pockets every month donating plasma! Hahahahaha! I don't see where returning the rest of the blood back to the donor is any different from returning blood back to the patient in dialysis.
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Watchtower sued for Racketeering in California
by under the radar ina little birdie informed me that a lawsuit against the watchtower bible & tract society, its legal department, and several individuals (perhaps lawyers in the legal department) has been filed in the superior court of the state of california, county of los angeles for, wait for it.... racketeering!.
that's right, folks, you heard it here first.
i have no other information, other than the case was stamped "aug 07 2015" and the docket number appears to be bc590675.
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SuzyQ49418
Here is a copy of this person's 2009 complaint downloaded from Pacer. You be the judge. http://freepdfhosting.com/e4a22bcfd9.pdf
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Finally an Article About Unthank!
by jamiebowers inhttp://www.latrobevalleyexpress.com.au/news/local/news/general/private-prosecution-gets-thrown-out-of-court/2468225.aspx?storypage=2private prosecution gets thrown out of court.
by louis nelson.
27 feb, 2012 01:00 am.
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SuzyQ49418
Here is the entire passage from the February 1989 Kingdom Ministry:
"As ministers of the good news, we are known publicly as Jehovah's Witnesses. Our voluntary participation in the field service is motivated by love of God and neighbor. It is not carried on at the insistence of any man or organization but is according to our God-given commission to preach the "good news" and make disciples. (Matt. 24:14; 28:19, 20) Therefore, publishers do well to avoid representing themselves as agents or representatives of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc., or any other corporation used by "the faithful and discreet slave" to advance Kingdom interests.-Matt. 24:45-47.
In case of an accident or an emergency or if problems are encountered while working trailer parks, apartments, or certain other territory, publishers may need some form of personal identification beyond giving their name along with a brief Scriptural explanation of the nature of our religious work. If questioned, or when asked for credentials, baptized publishers may use the identification card (S-65) signed by the presiding overseer, which shows one is preaching the good news of the Kingdom in association with the local congregation named on the card.
A supply of identification cards (S-65), which may be issued to baptized publishers when there is a need, will be included with the annual shipment of congregation forms. If any publishers use a personal name card in connection with their field service activities, they should not print thereon that they are representatives of the Watchtower Society."
Remember I posted that this was the result of an accident the Watchtower got sued over because someone in the ministry harmed someone while telling people they were a Jehovah's Witness minister representing the Watchtower? Notice the mention of accidents? Love how they throw in "emergency" or "if problems are encountered" so as not to make a connection too obvious. After all, every Jehovah's Witness knows this is really about not "bringing reproach upon Jehovah's Organization", right?
Notice also the word AGENT they throw in there? It's been so long for me but, honestly, was the word AGENT ever part of our cult-speak? We were "ministers", the word "ambassador" was used in the literature and so was "representative" but AGENT? That word is an allusion to theories of law under which an EMPLOYER can be sued for the actions of an EMPLOYEE because employees are said to have AGENCY for their employer, the Principal and therefore, under the theory of Respondeat Superior, the employer is responsible for harm done to another person by the employee while acting in the employ of the employer. There have been lawsuits filed in which a VOLUNTEER EMPLOYEE was allowed to proceed in suit of an employer they worked as a volunteer for and it was decided the most important factor in deciding the employer/employee relationship was NOT financial or other compensation for work but rather HOW MUCH CONTROL THE EMPLOYER HAD OVER THE VOLUNTEER. This CONTROL determined the employee/employer relationship, not compensation.
Look at the video link I'm providing as this fella reviews a Watchtower filing in puzzlement. Notice the use of the word AGENT over and over again and notice how the Watchtower is working to demonstrate how LITTLE CONTROL they have over this Jehovah's Witness minister's "ministry".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sJ_aI-2YVE
A Judge hearing this knows EXACTLY what the Watchtower is alluding to. What the Watchtower is attempting to do is separate themselves from liability under any theory that could involve an employer/employee relationship while preserving their First Amendment rights to free exercise.
Oh, and the Watchtower DOES have control over firing of their ministers and grounds for doing so. It's called "disfellowshipping".
I remember when that February 1989 KM came out because it disturbed me quite a bit. I spoke with someone I knew back then that gave me the inside scoop on that one. I've been out for soooooooo many years, I totally forgot about how Jehovah's Witnesses were even informed of that one. I remembered it as an announcement from a body of elders letter. I did a bit of digging on Google to find a couple of posts on the internet about it. One had a photograph of the page talking about not calling themselves representatives or agents and one had the entire quote from the article. The photographed page didn't have the whole article because it jumps to another page in the KM.
I was told by that person I spoke with back then that when the Watchtower received notice of the lawsuit, their lawyers actually hired people off the street to act as jurors and held mock trials to see if they could win that somehow before a jury. They couldn't find a way to win and decided to settle. I'm trying to figure out now, how to find the lawsuit. I've got a bit of digging to do. Not looking forward to this. Maybe the lawsuit was just threatened through correspondence but that seems to be a breach of ethics. I want to find that suit so I can finish tying all these pieces together.
Think about all of that and why the Watchtower formed two new corporations to separate their publishing arm from the management of the congregations and ministry. The use of the literature in the ministry would have made it more difficult to separate them from the relationship of employer/employee/minister/volunteer/agent when everything was under one corporate umbrella. It all comes together in these relationships somewhere: AGENT/AGENCY/EMPLOYER/EMPLOYEE/VOLUNTEER/ORDAINED MINISTER. I feel quite certain of this.
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Finally an Article About Unthank!
by jamiebowers inhttp://www.latrobevalleyexpress.com.au/news/local/news/general/private-prosecution-gets-thrown-out-of-court/2468225.aspx?storypage=2private prosecution gets thrown out of court.
by louis nelson.
27 feb, 2012 01:00 am.
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And, uh, there is a REASON they want NO ONE calling themselves a VOLUNTEER in the ministry. There is a reason they wish to avoid that word. They hope that using the word "unpaid" and doing everything they can to frame this as a "personal ministry" will remove them from certain types of liability. -
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Finally an Article About Unthank!
by jamiebowers inhttp://www.latrobevalleyexpress.com.au/news/local/news/general/private-prosecution-gets-thrown-out-of-court/2468225.aspx?storypage=2private prosecution gets thrown out of court.
by louis nelson.
27 feb, 2012 01:00 am.
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SuzyQ49418
I just found this doing a Google search on the subject of Jehovah's Witnesses not being representatives of the Watchtower. Maybe some of you weren't there then or have forgotten all about it, but, way back in the early/mid 90s congregations were informed they were not to call themselves representatives of the Watchtower while out in the ministry. The society got sued because of a Jehovah's Witness who had introduced himself this way in the ministry and subsequently seriously injured someone. They ended up deciding to settle out of court when they realized there was no way to legally separate themselves from this person's statements. -
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Jehovah's Witness children and creativity...
by Tuesday inhey there folks,.
i remember some time ago there was a wonderfully written website which dealt with jehovah's witness children specific type of suppression causing a higher number of very creative children than other religious forms of suppression.
i was wondering if anyone remembered what this link was?.
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Hey. I was doing some research on the Dewing & Taft study and this thread came up in a Google hit so I thought I would post a quick comment even if the thread is old. Dewing & Taft used a test called the Torrance Test to score creativity. It is of note that this same test has been used to show a correlation between high creativity and social rejection. Sound familiar? -
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JWs and medical marijuana
by dogon inwhere do jws stand on the new medical marijuana?
i know they would df for use of it for recreation but if a dr in california gave it as a perscript, and it was legal to buy and use for medical use, has anyone ran into this yet?.
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SuzyQ49418
I found this thread doing a Google search on Jehovah's Witnesses position on medical marijuana. Tobacco was mentioned in one of the posts. Tobacco actually does have some practical uses. It can be used as a disinfectant, a pesticide and in a poultice for taking the sting out of wasp and bee stings. And, believe it or not, smoking cigarettes actually does have SOME health benefits. This is referred to as the "smokers paradox". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine , see under "health effects". My two cents worth. Personally, the way I see the issue and what doesn't make sense to me about JW reasoning on pharmaceuticals v. "drugs", is that even pharmaceuticals have some seriously bad side effects that lead to bodily harm with long-term detrimental effects. Some of them even come right out and list "death" as a potential side effect. If I'm allowed to make a trade off like that for any other pharmaceutical, why not weed or even tobacco? Their position doesn't make sense to me. And, I notice in their publications, they never address studies that counter the ones they cite. But, of course they wouldn't.
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can Satan read your mind?
by doodle-v ini talked to my brother today who is still a practicing jw (i've managed to fade) .
we were talking and suddenly he asked me if i thought satan could read my mind.
and he said "yeah i though the answer was yes and then i found out that satan cant read my mind".
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SuzyQ49418
OK, this is a very old thread but I found it Googling what Jehovah's Witnesses used to tell me about whether or not Satan and the Demons could read your mind. They asserted it was not possible and I was just wondering if I could find any scriptural reason they provided to back up their reasoning. None of my Google searches provided me any such information. However, as I was doing this search another hit came up discussing another thing Jehovah's Witnesses would say, and that is that certain forms of "meditation" would open you up to demons taking over your mind. So, here's my question, in as much as "meditation" ultimately has nothing to do with "body posture" but with what is going on in one's mind, i.e. "what they are thinking", how would Satan or the demons even know you were engaging one of these forms of meditation, in order to posess your mind, if your body posture were not engaging any "traditional meditating postures". Even if you were engaging "traditional meditating postures", you could engage those postures without entering any meditative state, so the posture alone gives away nothing about what is going on in your mind. For the sake of arguement, let's say I'm simply lying prone on the bed with my eyes closed and my hands folded across my chest and, I decide to direct my thoughts into a meditative state. If Satan can't read my thoughts, how can he possess me if I direct my thoughts into a meditative state? He would have to know what I was thinking to do that, wouldn't he? I can't believe I spent 10 years there without seeing the inconsistencies in their reasoning.