I have no idea on the specifics of Michael Jackson's disfellowshipping, but I do know this. Just as ADCMS says, there simply is no such thing as Rank & File outcry in the Watchtower World. If Rank & File JW's were to raise their voices about anything, they would immediately be squelched by the LEADERS. "We Rule from the Top Down!"
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Prince on Saturday Night Live
by designs indid you catch it.. http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/watch-princes-electric-prformance-from-tonights-saturd-1653735759.
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I HATE vets
by Xanthippe intook one of my cats to the vet two weeks ago, she gets dermatitis from flea bites and although she gats flea treatment every four weeks the skin problem flares up about every two years.
so i asked for her usual steroid tablets which clear it up in about a week but no this young vet about 25 thought she should have a steroid injection and an antibiotic.
didn't work and she's much worse.. went back today and another vet said can't give you the tablets because the injection is still in her system and lasts 6 weeks.
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I live in a small town. I grew up being a "dog" person, but now I guess I'm a "cat" person as feral cats seem to find their way to my house and I have a soft spot in my heart for all animals. (All cats that stay here get fixed, by the way). When one of my cats get sick I take them to the vet here, an old fashioned country vet who does things the old fashioned way, and he will give them a shot and usually the cat gets well.
But, a few years ago I moved back into the city and took my cats with me. It was my experience in the city that if you take a cat to a city vet, first thing they ask you is "where you got the cat". When you tell them that the cat just found its way to your home, unless you are willing to give them a blank check to save the cat at any cost, they will pressure you to put the cat to sleep. I guess this is just their way of dealing with the cat over-population.
After moving back to the small town, I mentioned this to the country vet here, and while not wanting to speak negatively of those in his profession, he basically confirmed my suspicions. Many vets would just rather put a cat to sleep than try to heal them, unless, like I said, you are willing to pay thousands of dollars with no guarantee of them getting better.
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Christian Pastors ORDERED to Marry Gays or Face JAIL TIME & FINES $$$
by oneyeopen ino.k just worked out how to start a new post/thread, just came across this and wanted to share with anyone that may be interested.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/.
coeur dalene, idaho, city officials have laid down the law to christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines.. read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/#ixzz3ibe4kyvq follow us: @washtimes on twitter.
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LisaRose,
Quite alright! I wasn't sure if your statement was directed at me, so I just wanted to clarify myself.
A very good example of what you say could be found last night watching the election coverage! FOX News relishing the victory of the Republican party. Switch over to MSNBC and watch Rachel Maddow selecting the few Democrat victories, and presenting them as though it was the Democrats who were on top last night.
Now, for the benefit of anyone else reading this post, this was not a criticism of Rachel Maddow, MSNBC, or the Democrat party. It is just an observation of how the media portrays their story in the most favorable light!
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Christian Pastors ORDERED to Marry Gays or Face JAIL TIME & FINES $$$
by oneyeopen ino.k just worked out how to start a new post/thread, just came across this and wanted to share with anyone that may be interested.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/.
coeur dalene, idaho, city officials have laid down the law to christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines.. read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/#ixzz3ibe4kyvq follow us: @washtimes on twitter.
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redvip200,
Thanks for your response! I get your point, DULY NOTED!
DJS,
Thank you, I really do a-p-p-r-e-c-i-a-t-e your input!
LisaRose,
I did not swallow Rush Limbaugh's "ear candy" whole, and I don't know how I could have made that point any clearer. I plainly stated that each time I posted. I merely threw that out there to get other peoples thoughts on the subject. But I do thank you for your comment!
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Christian Pastors ORDERED to Marry Gays or Face JAIL TIME & FINES $$$
by oneyeopen ino.k just worked out how to start a new post/thread, just came across this and wanted to share with anyone that may be interested.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/.
coeur dalene, idaho, city officials have laid down the law to christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines.. read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/#ixzz3ibe4kyvq follow us: @washtimes on twitter.
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"Coeur d‘Alene, Idaho, city officials have laid down the law to Christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines." First of, I believe that gay and lesbian people should most definitely have every right that any other citizen of this country is allowed. I mentioned what I heard on Rush Limbaughs show because I thought it was pertinent to this discussion. I never said that I endorsed it! But JeffT says that I shouldn't comment when I don't know what Rush Limbaugh said. Tell me Jeff, just what did Rush Limbaugh say?
Viviane tells me that no one is being forced to do anything that is against their religion. Now, I am not an intellectual, I didn't even graduate from high school (why bother, Armeggedon is going to be here any day now). I am told that the article in question only applies to The Hitching Post. They are a business, NOT a religion.
But, read this line again, the very first paragraph of the article in discussion:
"Coeur d‘Alene, Idaho, city officials have laid down the law to Christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines." Okay, I'm a dumbass, I admit it, but doesn't that article plainly say, "Christian Pastors within their community"? Indicating religions/churches beyond The Hitching Post?
Aren't they using The Hitching Post as an example to send a message to churches that they better fall in line, or else?
I know Viviane will say, "So what? What if they do?"
Well, if they do, they do. Then churches and pastors will simply use clandestine techniques in order to skirt the law. If churches don't know how to go about that, they should contact the Watchtower Society. WT knows all about those little tricks!
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Christian Pastors ORDERED to Marry Gays or Face JAIL TIME & FINES $$$
by oneyeopen ino.k just worked out how to start a new post/thread, just came across this and wanted to share with anyone that may be interested.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/.
coeur dalene, idaho, city officials have laid down the law to christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines.. read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/#ixzz3ibe4kyvq follow us: @washtimes on twitter.
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Viviane,
"As far as I know. Do you have any evidence of a church being forced to marry a gay couple? If not, then that point is irrelevant to a public business having to follow the law."
Nope. I do not have any evidence of a church being forced to marry a gay couple. The original discussion was about if churches will soon be forced to marry gay couples.
Since the discussion has now deteriorated into name calling, I have said all I'm going to. Good luck! As Dennis Miller would say, I am outta here!
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Christian Pastors ORDERED to Marry Gays or Face JAIL TIME & FINES $$$
by oneyeopen ino.k just worked out how to start a new post/thread, just came across this and wanted to share with anyone that may be interested.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/.
coeur dalene, idaho, city officials have laid down the law to christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines.. read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/#ixzz3ibe4kyvq follow us: @washtimes on twitter.
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Viviane,
You make some valid points. Please remember that I am just relaying what I heard on the radio. It's no big secret, it was Rush Limbaughs show. I heard that a couple of months ago, and as I do not have a photographic memory, I wasn't quoting verbatim. Those may not have been the exact words Limbaugh used but the meaning was the same. I should note that I am NOT a ditto-head, I do not listen to him very often and I do not agree with everything the man says.
Again, I am neutral in this battle, but please let me ask you this, you are right, churches are not (supposedly) a business. So, not being a business, don't they have a right to decide whom they choose to wed? If a couple of Catholics ask a Jehovahs Witness to perform their wedding ceremony in the Kingdom Hall, I'd be willing to bet that the elder would graciously decline (not before offering them some literature and a free Bible Study, of course!)
Is that actually discrimination? Don't most religions cater to those of their own faith? (I know JW's are not really a religion, they are a book publishing business) but c'mon, play along here for the sake of the discusion!
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Christian Pastors ORDERED to Marry Gays or Face JAIL TIME & FINES $$$
by oneyeopen ino.k just worked out how to start a new post/thread, just came across this and wanted to share with anyone that may be interested.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/.
coeur dalene, idaho, city officials have laid down the law to christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines.. read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/#ixzz3ibe4kyvq follow us: @washtimes on twitter.
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Okay, in repsonse to the question "Why would two homosexuals want to be married in a church that does not approve of homosexuality"?, I would lke to pass on a theory that I heard on a popular radio program. And let me also say up front that I am neither homosexual nor christian, so I don't have a dog in this fight!
If a church does not want to perform a marriage ceremony for a homosexual couple, there are plenty of churches that will gladly do so. So, why doesn't the couple in question merely go to one of the churches that will?
There is a small segment of the homosexual community that is decidedly militant in their politics. Their purpose in targeting specific churches is to bring them down and put them out of business. By yelling DISCRIMINATION and asking them to do something that they know very well is against their beliefs, they want to drive them out of business.
Now, before anybody goes insulting me or calling me names, again, I just want to let you know that I am passing along what I heard. I don't know if it is true or not. It is a very popular radio show, someone else reading this may have heard it also!
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Name the GOOD things and NICE things about Jehovah's Witnesses
by stuckinarut2 inok, so in the interests of balance....(as it has rightly been pointed out that i am getting more bitter toward the org), can we think of any positive or nice things about jehovah's witnesses?.
just throwing this topic out there....... .
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When I was young and still in the Org I cane to the realization that, for the most part, becoming a Witness did not really change peoples personalities that much. That is, people who were A**Holes before becoming a JW were still A**Holes after becoming a JW. People who were really nice before becoming a JW were still really nice after becoming a JW. People who were really naive before becoming a JW,.....you get the picture.
Just as in every religion or political group, Jehovahs Witnesses are made up of all types. But JW's are most definitely being duped. The Watchtower Society is no different from the "Nigerian Prince" scam or the Bernie Maddoff ponzie scheme. Except that The Watchtower steals more than your money, they steal your very soul!
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Undeniable proof the Organisation has Jehovahs Blessing and Direction
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James Bond 007 or James West from "The Wild Wild West", which prophet will you choose to follow?