i would like to start a thread on lies that the watchtower and their reps have told.
surely we all have one or two that truly sticks out in our memories, no matter how much we would like to forget.
my favorite wt lie: the reason they don't want to release the name of the "scholars" who worked on the new world translation is because they do not want to accept "glory and honor" from others.
So, so many flip flops. Is old "light" a lie...or the "new light"?????
If God Jehovah has existed eternally, has he been lying to his "faithful slave" or just playing with them? Or.....do they simply "make up things" or "hear" things like a precocious preschooler????? Or...are they simply old fashioned con-artists???
It is hard to recall all the lies and flip flops. JWfacts.com has a handy short list.
https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/changed-watchtower-teachings.php
hello!i am an independent scholar and researcher with a deep curiosity for ancient cultures and texts.
i do not adhere to any religious tradition, but my passion for understanding the mysteries of our past has led me to explore biblical stories in depth.
my particular interest lies in the original hebrew text of the bible, which i find fascinating both as literature and as a source of historical riddles.i recently completed a study that might change the way you perceive some well-known biblical stories.
Which Eve? Was she full Neanderthal or just partial? :)
i would like to start a thread on lies that the watchtower and their reps have told.
surely we all have one or two that truly sticks out in our memories, no matter how much we would like to forget.
my favorite wt lie: the reason they don't want to release the name of the "scholars" who worked on the new world translation is because they do not want to accept "glory and honor" from others.
Biggest lie?
Watchtower and the Governing body are "Chosen" or "Spirit directed".
news is that the ramapo project has been approved by authorities and can move forward..
My relative, the 1940s Bethelite and Branch overseers' words keep coming back to me: " Don't do what Watchtower says....do what they do". "They keep planning and investing for the future".
They have always had undisclosed offsite farms and buildings on the down low.
in the past, we used to hear talks on:.
avoiding sexual immorality and porn, as well as masturbation and other sexual practices.
why evolution cannot possibly be true.
Is it easier to be a JW now. Yes, perhaps.
Fewer hours in meetings. ( No separate book study). Shorter Talks.
Way fewer hours in field Service for Pioneers, and Servants.
Less rigorous dress and grooming rules.
Easier to be reinstated.
But much harder to remain MENTALLY in. Abundant information in books and the on the internet that abundantly proves they are morally deficient and in NO WAY CHOSEN BY A MORAL CREATOR. Obviously, Elders and Servants are not vetted by the organization, or HOLY SPIRIT (if it exists). Obviously Watchtower is complicit in covering over crimes. What moral person WANTS to associate with an immoral organization?
beninu andersen.
denmark.
i am not aware of how many of you are familiar with the danish case of a jehovah's witness who was hospitalized after a tragic accident where he fell several floors from a scaffolding where he was working.. the patient was admitted to the intensive care unit and was conscious (albeit somewhat confused) for the first three weeks.
Thanks Barb!
when i was in the org it seemed most brothers were very much into football and other sports.
which looking back makes no sense and makes me wonder why?
it felt like an overcompensating to be masculine.. shouldn't football be deemed unchristian?
Lol. I seem to remember some Watchtowers about competition and violence in sports and TV in the 1980s. I ignored them. Wife #1 the "pioneer" didn't forget and accused me on being "a man of violence" while I was watching the 49ers in a football play-off one weekend, caped with an old John Wayne movie! She stomped out of the house. Evidently, it was to complain to an elder neighbor 2 blocks away. When she got there, the entire family and another elder were watching the same things! lol. ( the family recounted the story to me years later). :)
Church Lady on Football: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgMkBNWuquo&list=PLuiwnTWuEF8P4sjlF94Ip9ZkXeYHpW4Nd&index=3
watchtower put out some highlights for the 2024 service year:.
average publishers: 8,828,124. peak publishers: 9,043,460. a 43.2 percent increase in "those who returned to jehovah", meaning 65,816 were reinstated.
baptized: 296,267. memorial attendance: 21,119,442. missing stat: number of partakers .. womp womp.
Watchtower lies about dates and "prophecy". They lie about Child and senior abuse. They lie about financial statements at conventions. They lie on their tax returns. They lie in court. It is considered "Theocratic strategy". Why should anyone believe their membership numbers?
A "new" congregation in the third world can mean 30 people set up benches under a tree, and follow whatever the only local semi-literate male tells them.
Religion is a snare and a racket.
my only prowess in making predictions stems from my 77-years of life in the united statesgrowing up under president truman, eisenhower, kennedy, nixon, .....etc.
etc.i was a widdle kid sitting in front of a tiny black and white tv set when the very first broadcastsof political conventions, deal-making, debates (nixon vs kennedy), assassinations (jfk, rfk, martin luther king, etc.
) i grew up with duck and cover under my elementary schooldesk, the cold war, the iron curtain, the korean war, the vietnam war and i went to federal prisonas a jw conscientious objector while hippies, flower children, political activists protested and universitystudents were fired up on by troops.i grew up reading newspapers (2 of them).
I expected the election to be a coin toss. I am surprised that such flawed candidates are chosen out of hundreds of millions of people. The propensity of humans to need "cults", gurus, sky daddies, and strong men astounds and worries me.
my only prowess in making predictions stems from my 77-years of life in the united statesgrowing up under president truman, eisenhower, kennedy, nixon, .....etc.
etc.i was a widdle kid sitting in front of a tiny black and white tv set when the very first broadcastsof political conventions, deal-making, debates (nixon vs kennedy), assassinations (jfk, rfk, martin luther king, etc.
) i grew up with duck and cover under my elementary schooldesk, the cold war, the iron curtain, the korean war, the vietnam war and i went to federal prisonas a jw conscientious objector while hippies, flower children, political activists protested and universitystudents were fired up on by troops.i grew up reading newspapers (2 of them).
I am a bit surprised by the sweeping results in most National and State results.
However if you are a working class family that hasn't had a major pay raise in the last 4 years, paying 28% more for your weekly groceries may explain the results. Working class people without college degrees are the majority in the USA.
One lady interviewed leaving the polling station said "I like Beyonce, but she doesn't pay for my groceries".
This morning's WSJ take: " The education gap grew. Those without a college degree moved rightward, according to the data. Harris won college-educated voters by 16 percentage points on Tuesday, while Trump won those without a college degree by nine points, according to VoteCast. That is a difference of 25 percentage points. Back in 2020, Biden won college-educated voters by 16 points—the same as Harris—but Trump won those without a degree by only 4 points—for a difference of 20 points.
The nation’s political divide around educational attainment has been growing for years and these results suggest it isn’t likely to stop soon.
The GOP also made big gains with nonwhite voters. Among Black voters, Trump saw his share of the vote grow to 15%, compared with 8% in 2020, according to AP VoteCast. There was a similar jump with Hispanics. On Tuesday, Trump won 41% of the Hispanic vote, 6 points higher than in 2020.
The biggest increase came from Black people who didn’t have a college degree.
In addition, Trump yet again rallied more rural white voters, helping him run up margins in a number of states. In 2016 and 2020, critics were skeptical that Trump could find enough voters in rural counties to compete with all the votes coming out of big urban centers, but he did it again on Tuesday." https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/election-results-2024-takeaways-7fbd81f1?st=mKfEXg&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
