holy nativity batman!
on jw broadcasting.
final song for this year's convention.
Quite the shift for WTB&T Society.
In the early 60s, as a little kid, we had a green songbook with some older more traditional mainstream songs. We also used the American Standard and King James Bibles at times.
JWs could informally "speculate" about bible subjects.
It gradually became more and more culty, reflected even in the music.
Eventually, only songs written by an exemplary JW could be used.
Is this a move towards mainstreaming?
is 31:yet he also is wise and will bring disaster and does not retract his words.. 1 sam 15: furthermore, the eternal one of israel does not lie or change his mind, for he is not man who changes his mind.. numbers 23: god is not a man who lies, or a son of man who changes his mind.
does he speak and not act, or promise and not fulfill?.
when the god you worship pronounces judgement, is he, really just issuing a warning or has the matter been determined through all the godly powers of insight, foresight and perfect judgement?
He changed his mind after creating Dinosaurs because he allowed a meteor to destroy them. :)
Anyway, if a matter requires two witnesses, who witnessed the promises to David or Abraham???
Ditto what DOC said:"Calling it an "act of worship" was always bullshit. Americans stand for the Canadian anthem when Canadian teams play ball in the US and vice versa. None of those sports fans think they are WORSHIPPING the other nation."
When the Judge or any top official walks in the room...you stand.
At the height of the Vietnam War(60s), a few kids in my grammar school had Dads serving in Vietnam. They were incensed over the flag salute and national anthem, called me a "commie", and tried to beat me up multiple times. I became handy with my fists as a result. The principal was in a hard place on religious rights versus kids traumatized by missing dads...on multiple occasions, he simply asked everyone to apologize and promise not to do it again.
By the 70s it stopped because most kids became anti-war in high school.
It hurt my relationship with my "worldly" father who was a WW2 and Korea Veteran.
just a moment ago irán started to attack israel, guess they're gonna end in ruins because israel has a way better army than other country in the region and the support of the us....hope the gas prices don't increase too much.... wonder how the borg gonna spin it..
2 am Sunday in Israel now. Iran has launched over 100 drones.
Iranian Ballistic missiles after sacrificial drones use up iron dome and patriot missiles some experts predict.
Hard to predict what will happen next.
Borg response...same as usual...we are at the tippy tippy end of the system, hurry back to meetings and... Donate!!!!!
i’ve noticed a pattern where things don’t go the way i expect them to go and/or whenever i realise there is a trend and, i mentally adjust for the idea that the trend will continue, the trend stops in its tracks.
so on that basis, and given many people, including myself, and active jws, have been asking ‘what changes will the governing body make next?’ perhaps the (disappointing) answer is: ‘nothing much for a while to come’.
maybe they’ve made the changes they want for now, and will wait a while and see how it’s received.
lol DOC! "But, when they canceled their monthly donation, the elders were there in a New York second to check on them. Coincidence? Not likely."
"Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks." :)
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many years ago we would be on someone's doorstep, when waiting for the house holder to come to the door we say something like ... yea after the big a this is going to be my house.
imagine saying that today with the common use of doorbell cameras and the squatting problem .
lol. Years ago, we had a car group working in Atherton CA (Huge Silicon Valley Estates).
I remember some JWs talking about "this being my home after the big A"....the homeowner was quietly gardening behind a brick wall and called them on it. They stammered, attempting to reply. :)
I laughed my ass off about it at the coffee shop later.
an indignant law enforcement officer wrote kim & mikey to let them know watchtower had placed an advertisement on a facebook page dedicated to law enforcement staff only, looking to hire a fully uniformed and armed officer at $35 per hour.
the commission was for the memorial in a specified texan venue.. the officer was particularly miffed at the hypocrisy considering the terrible way law enforcement was portrayed in the 2018 convention video, where the jws had been herded into a field to be slaughtered by a large group of officers.
not to mention the fact they are only too willing to call police for their own protection, yet won’t do so when it comes to protecting children from potential or actual abuse.. https://youtu.be/-rpcsztnvyo.
lol. I remember in the mid-70s when the NO COPS rules were made. Headquarters decided if they did not resign, they would lose all congregation privileges.
I grew up with lots of JW cops in my hometown. City Police, Deputy Sheriffs, State Police, and even an FBI agent. A few had to walk away from years of service and great pensions to remain Elders. Some stepped down from JW positions.
The Society had no issues asking for "favors" from them when it suited them. Armed Guarding Convention cash was one.
One real turnabout was that a "respected" married Elder was busted by an EX servant, now publisher, Detective, for molesting some young boys in a nearby Congregation.
That's Watchtower...looking good on the outside, but filthy inside.
Looking back, I think GB 1.0 Jaracz was behind that policy (a suspected child molester).
probably everyone else thought of this long ago, but i, being an "independent thunker" thunk of it just a coupla weeks ago.. we all know that since the year zero (on the fredfranzian calendar) the wtb&ts has defied archaeology and insisted that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, even though the physical evidence shows that 587 bce is a more likely date.
in fact, the book "the gentile times reconsidered: have jehovah's witnesses been wrong all along about 607 bce?
" by carl olof jonsson and rud persson made this conversation public.. it is a difference of 20 years.
How does this fit into Watchtower Chronology?
Predating Stonehenge by 6,000 years, Turkey’s stunning Gobekli Tepe upends the conventional view of the rise of civilization.
"Six miles from Urfa, an ancient city in southeastern Turkey, Klaus Schmidt has made one of the most startling archaeological discoveries of our time: massive carved stones about 11,000 years old, crafted and arranged by prehistoric people who had not yet developed metal tools or even pottery. The megaliths predate Stonehenge by some 6,000 years. The place is called Gobekli Tepe, and Schmidt, a German archaeologist who has been working here more than a decade, is convinced it's the site of the world's oldest temple."
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/gobekli-tepe-the-worlds-first-temple-83613665/
probably everyone else thought of this long ago, but i, being an "independent thunker" thunk of it just a coupla weeks ago.. we all know that since the year zero (on the fredfranzian calendar) the wtb&ts has defied archaeology and insisted that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, even though the physical evidence shows that 587 bce is a more likely date.
in fact, the book "the gentile times reconsidered: have jehovah's witnesses been wrong all along about 607 bce?
" by carl olof jonsson and rud persson made this conversation public.. it is a difference of 20 years.
probably everyone else thought of this long ago, but i, being an "independent thunker" thunk of it just a coupla weeks ago.. we all know that since the year zero (on the fredfranzian calendar) the wtb&ts has defied archaeology and insisted that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, even though the physical evidence shows that 587 bce is a more likely date.
in fact, the book "the gentile times reconsidered: have jehovah's witnesses been wrong all along about 607 bce?
" by carl olof jonsson and rud persson made this conversation public.. it is a difference of 20 years.
The entire basis of 3 of the world's most common religions is Abraham. A desert goat herder who "heard god talking to him in the desert" while he was....alone... God told him they were best buds, his seed would become countless, and he had to kill his son. He went back to his tent and convinced everyone he was God's chosen friend.
Think about it. If a tent-dwelling goat herder told you he was God's chosen one...because ONLY he heard voices in the desert....would you plan your entire life and your kids on what he said? If so....you can find many "Abrahams" at your nearest homeless camp this week smoking "herb", while they tell you how the last psychiatrist who treated them didn't know what he was talking about.
Look at Watchtower's printed chronology. Following it would get you an F in any accredited college class in History, Archaeology, Anthropology, Geology, or Paleontology. Adam's creation date? The earliest cities? The "Flood" and its date and scope?
It would be better to discuss how many buttons "Santa" has on his tunic. IMO.
