Provide Ray Franz's book.
Some people are where they need to be, no other "tribe" will accept them.
Waking some people up is like smashing a 3 yr olds belief in Santa Claus. Why do it?
good morning all, i would love some genuine advice please.. i have an old friend who is still in the org, but has never been the very staunch type.
however, she is going through a very rough patch in life, (past deeds from youth caught up and now is in prison) and i reached out to her by old fashioned snail mail.. by her reply she sounds more pimi than ever and finding some sort of comfort in the literature.
would i be wrong to attempt to wake her up, would that actually be a cruel thing to do right now?
Provide Ray Franz's book.
Some people are where they need to be, no other "tribe" will accept them.
Waking some people up is like smashing a 3 yr olds belief in Santa Claus. Why do it?
it comes up from time to time: that the wt's "constant pleas for money" signifies their precarious financial state due to the pressure of the csa settlements.
is there any way of demonstrating that to be a fact?
i ask because i've always been under the impression that "constant pleas for money" is the default state of the organisation, possibly going back to rutherford's time.
Why? It works. lol :)
Ask any professional panhandler.
Applying logic to religion and cults is a waste of mental energy.
as your family considers its disaster preparedness plan, please ensure that the secretary has up-to-date contact information for you and your emergency contact.
also, we have re- peatedly seen good results when brothers and sisters are prepared with go bags and are ready to obey direction when they face various kinds of disasters.
please be sure you have a go bag, and review its contents at least once a year.
Mike JW. I think you have not been watching what Watchtower ACTUALLY does when there is ZERO financial gain in helping poor publishers.
The Bible mentions caring for widows and orphans over 60 times.
A famous Non-JW quote is: "The true measure of any society can be found in how it treats its most vulnerable members." -Mahatma Gandhi.
Watchtower commands the widows, fatherless boys, and poor seniors and single moms to: 1. Travel hundreds of extra miles to "assigned" conventions to stay at "recommended" motels (that pay kickbacks). ..when closer or less expensive options exist. 2. Travel further at night to attend faraway kingdom halls after theirs have been liquidated. 3. Not sue or report "brothers" who have bilked them $$$ or physically or financially abused them. 4. Refuse to repay loans from seniors and then threaten disfellowshipping if threatened with legal action. 5. For over a century hid child rapists. ...the list goes on.
Do you really believe these corporate shysters should be relied upon during a disaster?
if any one was so inclined to go back to 2013 on the site and locate the posts on the note takers reporting on the 2013 convention [the release of the rnwt and gb demanding obedience] there were two note takers who reported on the main talk "human apostates" that there was a new tactic being used, letter writing to the publishers homes.
the main subject of those letters was a elder joe moore.
on 12-26-2007 i taped court case #149893 to kh doors.
Bill, copying members' introductory bios and "posting them on Kingdom Hall doors" is against the group's spirit of confidentiality and "terms of service".Simon has every right to ban you.
As any member here who has broken bread with us in person on the West Coast can attest we are not the "Moores".
Bill had you taken your "evidence" to the police, Cal DOJ, and the District Attorney, you could have helped current and past victims. Taping bizarre and convoluted rants to kingdom hall doors accomplishes nothing, it only antagonizes people...including your family.
PS. Wishing to "out" members and give anyone a literal heart attack is sick and twisted.
this is my first time posting to this forum.
let me start by saying i was born and raised as a jehovah’s witness.
i’m thankful that i was raised this way, because i feel it protected me in some ways, especially with regard to moral issues.
Welcome to the group! Congrats on opening your eyes.
Ray and Cynthia were very bright, kind, and engaging people. True believers who walked the walk but were bothered by institutionalized hypocrisy.
I enjoyed knowing them at Bethel and enjoyed their hospitality at their modest Bethel room.
Keep in mind Bethel is compartmentalized and it is quite possible Ray was unaware of the size of some of the issues like child molestation. "Idle" talk of "things that were not upbuilding" was always frowned upon at Bethel.
it is proposed to the seimas not to grant state recognition to the religious community of jehovah's witnesses.
lithuania05/05/2024 09:30. jehovah's witnesses; baptism associative / e. ovcharenko / bns photo.. it is proposed to the seimas to refuse to grant state recognition to the lithuanian jehovah's witnesses religious community.. community representatives told bns that they hope that parliamentarians, taking into account the practice of the european court of human rights, will make a different decision.. the draft resolution registered by the chairman of the human rights committee of the seimas, tomas vytautas raskevičius, states that this community does not meet the requirements of the constitution and the law, that its education and rites do not conflict with laws and decency.. "the ministry of justice has determined that the religious teaching of this community is possibly not compatible with the constitution of our country in two aspects.
the first is that jehovah's witnesses oppose blood transfusions due to certain aspects related to health care (...).
Seems in line with Watchtower beliefs, since they don't believe in freedom of... or... from religion for members or children of members.
It's a two-way street. :)
i had 50 years in.
here's a few (personal) observations to live by:.
1. the one true religion is not here.
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i used to attend the meetings and was baptized about 30 years ago but i haven't gone to the meetings or associated with any one i new from the congregation for around 15 - 20 years.
i want to get back to studying but i am not ready to go to any meetings.
other than the watchtower and awake what book is used these days for people just starting to study with jehovah's witnesses?.
If you want to "study" the Bible...just sit down and read one.
If you are just lonely, why not join a club based on a favorite activity?
Simply Google "Jehovah's Witnesses" and "Watchtower Bible and Tract Society"...then check Google "news" for recent events. Wikipedia is very accurate. A former Bethel Elder created "JWFacts.com", read it.
If you restart and then quit, you may be shunned or marked. You may also be quizzed by two elders and shunned as an "apostate" if you answer their questions too honestly ie:"incorrectly".
as your family considers its disaster preparedness plan, please ensure that the secretary has up-to-date contact information for you and your emergency contact.
also, we have re- peatedly seen good results when brothers and sisters are prepared with go bags and are ready to obey direction when they face various kinds of disasters.
please be sure you have a go bag, and review its contents at least once a year.
My "worldly" dad fought in two wars, was shipwrecked, and was stranded on an island for 3 months. Later he worked as a plant supervisor for a Silicon Valley Defense contractor making Nuclear Triggers, Microwave communications, reverse engineering of Soviet Tech, etc. He was a "prepper"...to a point. His concern was "EMPs" (Electromagnetic pulse tech) during the Cold War. He and his Military contacts felt it was likely the US "Grid" would be knocked out for a few + weeks. He insisted we be self-reliant for a minimum of 4 weeks. He even kept spare electronics in Faraday cages and insisted on a full freezer, generator, and garden. He said no one would survive a full nuclear attack, and that beyond 4 weeks the government would respond or we would all die anyway. :(
MOST USA disasters are relatively local (Wildfires, earthquakes, Tornados, floods, Hurricanes, riots), simply packing snacks, cash, important papers, photos, and laptops, and then driving 100+ miles away to hang out in a comfy hotel with a restaurant is our idea of a disaster plan. :)
leave your ipad and go bag behind...but don't forget your new watchtower ar-15 or sniper rifle!
wear your watchtower baseball cap and t-shirt to command the high ground at the next jw picnic or fishing trip!
sure to raise some eyebrows!