i was wondering... are here people who used to be appointed ones and left the jws?
if yes: what was the reason you left and do you believe in god now?
i am just curious.
I have known a few "anointed" to be disfellowshipped over the years. One for fornication others for "apostasy" and "rebellion".
The entire belief system surrounding "anointed" =immediate issues for mentally ill attracted the organizations "love bombing". They believe God has spoken to them directly, therefore, the Elders need to obey them because they are god's spokesman. These people needed medical intervention not disfellowshipping. Exhibit A JW governing body members.
this subject has been brought up before.
the governing body and watchtower have repeatedly encouraged jws to show loyalty to the organization to "keep the congregation clean" by reporting wrongdoing to the elders.. i know directly of two cases.
two jws working in the records department of our local hospital "outed" 3rd gens 1st husband to the local elders when he and his mistress sought medical treatment together for stds.
Actually, 3rd gens ex-hubby got out by TWO JW sisters who worked in that hospital's medical records department. LOL, so I guess there were two witnesses. I was amazed at how many JWs worked in hospitals or contracted to do medical transcription. ( The pay is good, benefits and flexible schedules).
we all know that jw who would still believe if tony morris killed a baby on the roof of wallkill and put it on the internet.
for those people will there come a time when they will see or do you think someone so deep in a cult will never come to realize its all a lie.
Questions help. Like" If you lived in ancient Isreal and the City Elders told you to...(Worship Baal, Molech, Golden Calf...who would you be loyal too?)They were "God's organization..or were they?.... Why are more pages of the bible written about bad kings than good kings..or even the early part of Jesus life? What do think the lesson is??? If blood transfusions are wrong because blood REPRESENTS life....is LIFE or the representation of life more important? So then suicide is OK? Or is suicide wrong? Is God perfect? If he is, then why does he flip flop on:( ). Does god hate lying? Who is the father of the lie? Why does Watchtower teach differently? (Lies=Theocratic strategy)?
in july of 1969, i was 16 years old and was pretty excited by the prospect that the us would shortly land a man on the moon.
however, i remember, vividly and older brother at the time confidently stating that man would never walk on the moon, quoting psalms 115 - "as for the heavens, they belong to jehovah.
but the earth he has given to the sons of man.
I was sitting in my JW Grandparents living room attempting to watch that historic event, all the while Grandma was upset and saying "he is going to die any minute! The bible says "there will be signs in the heavens and blood on the moon!!!" She seemed sad they didn't die.
this subject has been brought up before.
the governing body and watchtower have repeatedly encouraged jws to show loyalty to the organization to "keep the congregation clean" by reporting wrongdoing to the elders.. i know directly of two cases.
two jws working in the records department of our local hospital "outed" 3rd gens 1st husband to the local elders when he and his mistress sought medical treatment together for stds.
This subject has been brought up before. The Governing Body and Watchtower have repeatedly encouraged JWs to show loyalty to the organization to "keep the Congregation clean" by reporting wrongdoing to the elders.
I know directly of two cases. Two JWs working in the records department of our local hospital "outed" 3rd Gens 1st husband to the local elders when he and his mistress sought medical treatment together for stds. -She was happy to find out, and both sisters kept their jobs. Hubby #1 got disfellowshiped and she got a divorce.
The 2cd was a case of a JW working in medical records of a famous SF Bay area teaching hospital who turned in a young JW girl for an abortion. She was outed to my body of elders and disfellowshiped.
I heard many other cases of inside information and records being shared by JWs with inside information at many types of offices when I worked at Bethel.
Has anyone heard of more recent cases of "leakers"?
(The USA regulation regarding medical records is: HIPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996) is United States legislation that provides data privacy and security provisions for safeguarding medical information.)
the world is getting worse, for example children are getting more cheeky!.
proof positive!
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And rude JWs knock knock knock on my door in the AM without an invitation or appointment!
so i started growing a beard 2 weeks ago and i am making some nice progress.
it has been noticed by many in my workplace and they give me great compliments.
my skin would get all bumpy from the constant shaving and i am so glad to be done with that form of cult control.. last year (i was pimo then) i worked in the video department at the regional convention.
Grew a beard after getting out of the Borg. Much more comfortable and protects some pre-cancer areas from lots of driving in the sun.
When I served at Bethel in the 70s my mustache and sideburns drove some brothers nuts. GB Dan Sidlick was my table head on weekends and lived down the hall, he reminded me frequently that I couldn't be a tour guide with my mustache..I laughed and said "that's OK I am too busy to take off to give tours"..I said "I was thinking of getting closer to the bible and not shear my locks and beard anyway" with a grin. His wife snorted her coffee.
whether it be sports athletes or hollywood heavyweights or talk show hosts—do these people influence your thinking?.
Hollywood? No. Sports? No
Someone who is an expert on a subject? yes, but with a grain of salt.
i often wondered over the years what happened to a lot of the old posters from this group.
going back to the late 1990s a few of the names i recall...blacksheep, gypsywildcactus (i know she's ok as we're friends on facebook still), onacruise, minimus, veniceit, flower, prisca, bendrr, refinersfire, kent, englishman, shit...dare i say it evilforce lol, snittlesnacks (what a twat), scully, mouthy, talesin from nova scotia, xenawarrior.
littletom (from glasgow in scotland), outlaw, goaty, bisous, uncle brucey (australian character who loved his wildkife photography) - struggling now to remember more names.i know there are many more.
I lurked on this group years ago while I was still an Elder having serious doubts. Third Gen found my 2 Ray Franz books while I was at work and tossed them in the garbage!! LOL, She was furious.
Well a PIMO JW, a friend from high school, called me one evening and said: "did you hear about the Menlo Park CA hall scandal?" "No" He gave me a quick rundown and I googled it and a lot of threads were on this group. 3rd Gen read about it as well. I knew many of the players and the fact that the "Society's Elder" had an affinity for hookers, lies, and scams, and the DF'd Elders were very sincere humble true believers really made things clear. 3rd Gen finally read Ray Franzes 2 books that month online here and was OUT.
This group is a goldmine of information...including OLD threads..and important group therapy for those leaving. It is a lot of work to maintain and my thanks go out to Simon and those who continue to post and interact.
I prefer to just chat on the phone from time to time and on Facebook with some I have met here or in person at aposta fests, however, this group is a valuable resource. Keep up the good work everyone!!!!
i called a jehovah's witness friend of mine a couple weeks ago, yes i still consider him a friend though he would not say the same of me.
i've known him for almost 40 years.
our families went on many vacations together including my only trip back to bethel in 1996. this trip was made with 40 other "brothers and sisters.
A P.O. in an old hall gave the most interesting parts after getting hammered on Jack Daniels. His breath could knock you over. Could never get a few elders, and the Bethel desk to agree to do anything about him until his physical abuse of his wife and kids became public.
Not at all unusual.
An old high school JW buddy is Df'd for drunkenness and refuses to "speak" to me (we PM) because he is still "mentally in"- but physically out. A two-strike prisoner. Sad.
