Why do I separate Jehovah's Witnesses from Watchtower? "Jehovah's Witnesses" are the abused "sheep", the poor everyday suckers and "marks" of the 140 + - year old Watchtower Corporate officers and Governing Body members hiding behind the CULT curtain.
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Telling People You Used To Be A JW
by JW_Rogue insince i faded i've told a few people at work about having been raised in this organization but i found that most people don't really get what it is like at all.
they just focus on not celebrating holidays as if that is the worst thing about growing up jw.
i didn't explain much because it's too much for most people to handle.
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exJW Psychology 102--How to Ask a Question When Questions Aren't Allowed
by Billy the Ex-Bethelite innow that enough time has passed and i've moved away, i think i'm overdue to share some of the stories from my fade.
i've mentioned some of this before, but i think it deserves its own thread.. we all would like to be able to freely ask questions about jw beliefs and get our family and friends to really think about certain questions.
however, when you're a baptized jw, you really can't ask any good questions or you'll get the "apostate" label slapped on you!
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Balaamsass2
I love this post:"..
- Know a sister that is a busybody and drives you nuts? Write a letter to 25 Columbia Heights asking for an application to become a Female Elders Assistant that GJ described. Include the name of the congregation with a comment that you personally are away of many ways the elders need help. Sign her name on the letter and send it in."
I remember reading a number of letters local publishers mailed to headquarters. Publishers are unaware copies of their letters are mailed back to the local congregation, passed around the local elder body and discussed. - lol. Imagine a "Question" " "signed/sent" by a local self righteous pain in the ass elder, regarding his embarrassing "compulsion"..ie: porn, sexual picadillo, crime, doubts... :)
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exJW Psychology 102--How to Ask a Question When Questions Aren't Allowed
by Billy the Ex-Bethelite innow that enough time has passed and i've moved away, i think i'm overdue to share some of the stories from my fade.
i've mentioned some of this before, but i think it deserves its own thread.. we all would like to be able to freely ask questions about jw beliefs and get our family and friends to really think about certain questions.
however, when you're a baptized jw, you really can't ask any good questions or you'll get the "apostate" label slapped on you!
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Balaamsass2
Great thread. Billy we miss you!!!!!!!
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The latest discoveries in DNA upend some ancient history.
by Balaamsass2 inancient history may be revised based on new dna discoveries.
https://www.wsj.com/science/the-ancient-horsemen-who-created-the-modern-world-ba4b314d?st=mgaryn&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink.
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Balaamsass2
Ancient history may be revised based on new DNA discoveries. https://www.wsj.com/science/the-ancient-horsemen-who-created-the-modern-world-ba4b314d?st=mgaRYN&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
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Bojan Pancevski
For about half the people alive today, the story of where they came from just became clearer.
For centuries, historians and linguists have been searching for the cradle of the Indo-Europeans, an ancient people who shaped history and created the world’s largest language family, now spoken by over 40% of humanity. Now research led by David Reich, a geneticist at Harvard Medical School who specializes in the study of ancient populations, is making it possible to give a precise answer.
The peoples of Europe and West Asia, as well as everyone descended from their migrations across the globe—some four billion human beings alive today—can trace their ancestry to the Yamnaya, a small community of cattle-herders who lived 5,000 years ago in what is now Ukraine.
DNA detectives, including at Reich’s lab, analyzed DNA samples from the remains of around 450 prehistoric individuals taken from 100 sites in Europe, as well as data from 1,000 previously known ancient samples. In two papers published in the scientific journal Nature last month, the researchers combine genetic evidence with archaeology and linguistics to argue that sometime before 3000 B.C., a previously unknown people migrated from the Volga River to the Ukrainian steppe north of the Black Sea, where they mixed with a local population and formed the Yamnaya.
The Ukrainian hamlet Mykhailivka, now under Russian occupation, was pinpointed as the genetic cradle of the Yamnaya. From there they exploded across Eurasia, spreading their genes and their way of life from Portugal to Mongolia. This expansion, archaeologists and geneticists say, defines much of the world’s genetic and cultural heritage to this day. “They changed the populations of Europe, and ultimately, the world,“ Reich said.
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Camille Bressange/WSJThis “incredible expansion laid a foundation for premodern globalization,” said Kristian Kristiansen of the University of Gothenburg in Sweden, an authority on the Yamnaya who did not participate in the new research. Their language, which was not written down but can be partly reconstructed by linguists, was the ancestor of 400 later tongues, including Latin and Greek, English and Russian, Urdu and German. Ancient civilizations that we usually think of as antagonists—the Romans and the Celts, the Persians and the Macedonians—all shared this genetic and cultural heritage, the new research shows.
These ancient people did not call themselves Yamnaya. The name was coined by archaeologists from the Russian word yama, meaning “pit,” because they buried important people in pits beneath mounds known as kurgans. They were also likely the first people to ride horses and use wheeled carts, technologies that allowed them to conquer the Eurasian steppe.
Only a handful of labs work on ancient DNA research. Scientists can retrieve DNA from human bones, teeth or tissue from museum collections, as well as from ancient cave dwellings, burial grounds, battlefields and disaster sites. DNA is preserved in the most unlikely places: Ancient Europeans mixed their saliva with birch tar to make a glue to repair pots and attach arrowheads. Reich’s award-winning lab at Harvard has one of the largest ancient DNA databases in the world and uses proprietary gene-analysis software co-developed by Nicholas Patterson, a British mathematician who once worked as a codebreaker for U.K. intelligence services.
The new genetic research reinforces earlier theories about the spread of the Yamnaya based on linguistic and archaeological evidence. The idea that the languages of Europe, Iran and India descend from a single ancient tongue was first proposed by Sir William Jones, a British colonial judge in 18th-century India. Jones taught himself Sanskrit to interpret local laws and suggested that the ancient Indian language had a common ancestor with Latin, Greek and Old Iranian.
DNA evidence shows that the proto-Yamnaya population migrated from the Volga region to Anatolia, presumably spreading their language along the way. Still, some linguists remain cautious. “Genetic evidence alone will never be enough to prove the origin of a language,” said Lehti Saag, an ancient DNA researcher at Tartu University in Estonia.
For the peoples living in Eurasia before the Yamnaya arrived, being conquered was tantamount to “cultural erasure,” Reich said. The erasure was often physical, too. In many places, indigenous male DNA disappears upon the arrival of the Yamnaya, while indigenous female DNA is traceable in the following generations.
Yamnaya stone engravings from the 3rd millennium B.C. found in northeast Bulgaria. Photo: Vladimir Slavchev (2); Dilen Dilov; Kalin DimitrovThis suggests that the newcomers exterminated the men in the farming and hunter-gatherer populations they encountered, while incorporating the surviving women into their community. The Yamnaya were originally dark-skinned, with dark hair and brown eyes; their descendants in Western Europe inherited genes for blue eyes and lighter skin from the women they conquered.
In other places, “it’s a process of almost no mixture with the previous people, who just disappear,” Reich said. That is what happened to the highly sophisticated civilization that built Stonehenge in Britain. Shortly after the giant stone structure was completed around 2500 B.C., descendants of the Yamnaya steppe-riders landed on Britain’s shores. Within years of their arrival, some 99% of the indigenous people disappeared, according to Reich’s analysis of DNA samples from the time. Stonehenge, an apogee of a vanquished culture that took centuries to complete, was turned into a garbage dump.
Experts believe there was likely a religious or ideological driver of the Yamnaya expansion. Since they left no written records, it is impossible to know exactly what they believed and what drove them to expand the way they did. But the ancient epics of the cultures they engendered, including the Hindu Rigveda and Homer’s Iliad, suggest that they glorified battle and expanded through colonization.
Archaeological evidence from their settlements and burial grounds shows that young Yamnaya men were trained not only in hunting, herding, riding and fishing, but also to be warriors. By analyzing words related to kinship and social order from later cultures descended from the Yamnaya, researchers conclude that they had a patriarchal social structure, in which firstborn sons inherited all their fathers’ property. This system of primogeniture created an “expansive dynamism” that encouraged younger sons to embark on conquest, said Volker Heyd, professor of archaeology at the University of Helsinki.
The Yamnaya also had biological advantages. Studies comparing their skeletons with those other contemporary groups show that on average they were about 6 inches taller, possibly as a result of their meat and dairy consumption, researchers believe.
An ancient Yamnaya skull painted with red ocher. Photo: Simon Rasmussen/Cell 2015Associated Press“It was a group of Arnold Schwarzeneggers riding into conquest,” Heyd said.
Traces of Yersinia pestis, the bacteria that causes plague, were found in Yamnaya remains, suggesting that they may have developed immunity to the disease and carried it as an unintended “biological weapon” that decimated rival groups.
One group derived from the Yamnaya were the Aryans, who shaped the cultures of ancient India and Iran. In the 20th century, the term Aryan became associated with white supremacy, after theorists of racism falsely identified them as a Germanic race of conquerors superior to other Europeans.
In fact, the new findings show that most people in Europe share Yamnaya ancestry as one element in a complex genetic inheritance, which also includes DNA from earlier hunter-gatherer and farming groups and later migratory peoples such as the Huns or the Mongols.
“Large-scale movement of people is a repeated event in human history, and it’s been often disruptive,” Reich said. “It occurs again and again and again.”
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Appeared in the March 8, 2025, print edition as 'The Ancient Horsemen Who Created the Modern World'.
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I think I may be becoming an X-X-JW
by joe134cd ini think i may be moving on shortly.
i officially joined this web-site 12 years ago as pimo about to exit the organisation.
i had spent about a year before that, as just a none commenting member.
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Balaamsass2
Congrats Joe! We wish you all the best. Do stop by and say hi though. :)
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Telling People You Used To Be A JW
by JW_Rogue insince i faded i've told a few people at work about having been raised in this organization but i found that most people don't really get what it is like at all.
they just focus on not celebrating holidays as if that is the worst thing about growing up jw.
i didn't explain much because it's too much for most people to handle.
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Balaamsass2
I never share being an ex jw if possible, especially at work.
A lot of people hate JWs. Everybody hates/fears cults. I wouldn't want a co-worker, customer, or employer subconsciously associating me with Warren Jeffs, David Koresh, or Jim Jones.
It came up a few times during my employment during security background checks. (I had to explain my time at Bethel).
I enjoy discussing the subject with other ex-JWs. They get it...especially if they were raised as a JW and were in the "Borg" for many years. Meeting other ex JWs in person is good for your sanity!
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Do JWs see the org falling apart?
by ThomasDam21 ini have been away from the jw cult for many years.
i don't have any family i talk to that are in it.
so i don't know if the jws as a whole are seeing the cult fall apart or if they or the majority of them are head in the sand la la la the end is neigh.
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Balaamsass2
My old Silicon Valley Congregations have lost 2/3 of attenders (Halls have been combined). It is an affluent area and most people use the internet every day. It seems most of the most "active" JWs in my extended family and old congregations had/have cognitive issues.
I have an old JW pimo acquaintance I speak with weekly. He has been open about his doubts and criticisms of the governing body and false prophecies with over a dozen elders privately over the last 3 years. Privately they AGREED with him and never turned him in!!!! He has also dated a dozen single sisters he confided his doubts with...and they agreed with him!! Go figure...no one has reported him! That would be different 20 years ago.
Perhaps it is like the Catholic Church, despite corruption, abuse, and bad press, most members identify still as "Catholic"...they simply spend less time and energy on the church.
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In the past 24 hours, the world has been breaking into fragments. What will be the Outcome??
by liam innew german chancellor merz has won the election.
trump congratulated his victory but the response was not what trump expected.
merz condemned america, saying that america seemed to be aligning with russia.. he also expressed doubts about nato’s future.. he is now advocating that germany must gain independence from usa.
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The world will end......any day now.
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Just because Jehovah had to prove His Right To Rule? I don't think so!
by liam inwe get old because jehovah had to prove to all the angels that his way of ruling was the best?
that's the sorriest argument the watchtower has come up with.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/11hz_jqjkjo.
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1 Thessalonians 5:3....Prophecy ?
by HereIam60 ini've always had difficulty understanding how watch tower interprets 1 thessalonians 5:3 as prophetic of a future event - that the nations will unite in a (false) cry that they have achieved 'peace and security' which will signal the start of the great tribulation.
whenever i've read that passage i got the sense that it is simply stating a general principle... that when people are complacent and off-guard, thinking everything is o.k., peaceful and secure then sudden unexpected events hit them harder and they don't know what to do.
when i was first coming in (1980s) i well recall the "true peace and security" book that made a big deal about the un having declared 1986 'the international year of peace'.
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