Londo - Brace yourself - What this man said was fear of God is like a woman's fear of her husband and Herd thinks this is NOT abusive, he thinks that is normal. How sick is this fool ?
Posts by Paris
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31the insanity of Sam herds talks at the convention
by purrpurr ini've picked up two that stood out to me but i'm sure others will have noticed more:.
he gave an illustration about fearing god and he said it is like a wife who has spent all day preparing the evening meal for her husband and she hears him come home and perhaps she is trembling a bit out of fear that he might not like the meal she has cooked for him....!!!!!!!!????.
the other was about verbal abuse and how it should not be used but rather than site the effect it has or the forms it can take he said that we shouldn't call each other " dumb dumb" or "knuckle head" .
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Paris
What ? You mean I am not going to live forever ?
No way. I am going to live for ever and ever, in some form, somewhere and you can't stop me.
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I Offer You This Choice
by simon17 insuppose the following choice were offered you, and you had to choose one or the other.
which would you pick (and perhaps why):.
1) you can continue living your life as it is, die when you might, and that's that.. 2) you can instead agree to die in 1 year in exchange for this: you will be granted access to the entire past and future history of intelligent life in the universe.
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Paris
You will be granted access to the entire past and future history of intelligent life in the universe.
Isn't that basically, Wikipedia ?
Take a university course in History, Go to the NASA Hubble site, knowledge knowledge knowledge, its all over the place. There are No "secrets" just unexplained things we don't know yet , like 97% of whats in the universe. In one year you couldn't absorb in your tiny brain absolutely everything and even if you were able to understand, through a IQ unheard of, then what ? You would know stuff you think nobody eles does ? Isn't that exactly like being a JW ? They already think they know everything and no one else does. Is that your ultimate goal ? To be a world champ know-it-all ?
What about love ? As the song goes. What about friends and music and dance and money to eat in good restaurants and travel first class and see the world and enjoy yourself ? #2 sounds boring as hell and completely futile.
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Members of the writing department has resigned
by hardtobeme inthis is what i found at anointedjw.org.
i don't know if it's true.
on august 25, 2014, we received the following comment and inquiry: .
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Paris
If you begin by debunking the Bible, witnesses will reject you.
I believe that statement is accurate.
As for the original post on this thread - It is interesting, but I am too much of a skeptic to even imagine that kind of sincere heart felt soul searching from those seven little popes. Ray Franz was a rare man, there has not been another like him in 30 years. And he was instantly demonized and hatefully dealt with. It has been 20 years since I read Crisis of Conscience, but I seem to remember it was the same issue of shutting people out of the body of Christ that finally drove Franz to his crisis ?
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My summer camp job experience
by d inthis summer i met a russian women i worked at a summer camp for people with developmental disabilities and she is going back to russia in september.
i grew to really like her as a person.
i just feel empty that she is now gone to new york heading beck to moscow we hung out on three seperate occasions and i enjoyed myself and her company .
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Paris
The real question is, does she feel the same way about you ? Is she involved with someone else ? Does she have a life in Russia that she loves ? Does she ever plan on leaving Russia ? Is she available ? Can you move to Russia ? Can she move to where you are ? Is this a one sided love affair ?
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HOW TO AVOID THE A-HOLE SPIRIT OF SOME HERE...
by DATA-DOG in1) take meds for your megalomania and delusions of grandeur.. .
suggestions welcome.. .
dd.
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Paris
Millie210 - The air of superiority is the core of being a Jehovah's Witness don't you think ? JW's believe they have all the answers. Their whole existence is based on the idea of "us" and "them". JW's have the idea the common rubble of humanity around them simple do not have the "special knowledge" they have. There is no special knowledge in reality, everything knowable can be known. Even those who leave the WT and see behind the curtain and the immense fraud and arrogance of the "organization" often retain, desperately in fact, the need to be "right" to "have all the answers". To correct other's thinking. Its a fear of uncertainty perhaps. The need for an anchor.
It is difficult to accept that they are just as lost now as they were as a JW and just as likely to be wrong. People cling to dogma of all kinds including science, to feel safe. The Buddhists would call this, attachment. Some would say enlightenment and creativity are beyond attachment and as a great artist said, "Art is a serious of destructions." It may be, that life is a serious of destructions, for those with the courage to be free.
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HOW TO AVOID THE A-HOLE SPIRIT OF SOME HERE...
by DATA-DOG in1) take meds for your megalomania and delusions of grandeur.. .
suggestions welcome.. .
dd.
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Paris
from DJS
you likely aren't in any position to lecture others.
No-body is in the position to lecture others in a civil conversation, that IS the point
so your tepid rant missed by a mile.
Your insulting me? Why? Whyd do atheists so often resort to verbal abuse if they have all the answers ?
They aren't 'discussing' religion. They are trying to convert others or wow us poor ex-Dubs with their scriptural wisdom. As if.
I do not know specifically who you refer to, a lot of Christians irritate and annoy me as well. Especially the ones who claim "My Lord, told me this, last night" or that "Jesus reveals thing to them" This is so self centered and grandiose. Can't stand it.
and c. completely ignore the fact that states, regions and nations which are more secular and atheist tend to be more intelligent, educated, happy and functional, open themselves up for dissection. DJS
Really ? "Atheist Nations are more intelligent, educated and happy" ? Really ? Which nations would those BE exactly ? China ? Its an atheist nation that has NO tuition free high school, NO pensions for the elderly and NO disabilty or workers compensation of welfare and enslaves millions to live and sleep in factories so a small Communist select can enrich themselves off the misery of millions, who regularily commit suicide they are such "happy athesits"
Chinese flee that country as soon as they can, and the education level in China, among those that manage to be able to afford it, test out at 4th grade. As proven by thousands and thousands of tested incoming immigrants from China. The Chinese atheists, have not invented ONE SINGLE THING in a thousand years. Their "brilliance" is myth. All technology, all manufacturing was transplanted completely intact to China by Europe and North American corporations. China is scientifically backward. Example: China has no waste management and according to the World Health Organization uses raw human excrement and urine on their crops and there is no regulation to prevent it, and its dangerous. Atheist China builds entire cities that are left uninhabited while it bulldozes villages that have been there for a thousand years. Atheist China, is a nightmare of a country. So much for your "lecture", DJS on the "superiority" of atheist countries. Shall we move on to Russia? Want to go there to live ? Russians don't.
Many people who leave the WT might eventually become atheists, or not. But this may be a process. Your need to lecture people on atheism does not take into consideration where that person is now in their own journey and what it would take to open their eyes and allow them them safely and comfortably exit in their own way. Your misguided impression that you are somehow smarter or better informed or more scientific or better educated than absolutely anybody who believes in God is in itself, evidence of your own self centered delusion and a very WT mindset in that, you just have to be on top, and have the last word and be right.
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HOW TO AVOID THE A-HOLE SPIRIT OF SOME HERE...
by DATA-DOG in1) take meds for your megalomania and delusions of grandeur.. .
suggestions welcome.. .
dd.
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Paris
The question is who is trying to "dominate" who ?
meg alomania | ˌmegəlōˈmānēə | noun obsession with the exercise of power, esp. in the domination of others . • delusion about one's own power or importance (typically as a symptom of manic or paranoid disorder) .
Insisting on your own point of view, insulting those who do not see the world as you see it ? Accusing all believers of ignorance would be an example of absurd megalomania.
Or accusing Christians of knowing nothing about science, when you yourself have no university degree, but the believer does and has studied math and science not in 'community college', but in a real world respected university. Becoming angry with anyone coming on the site who holds a belief in God.
If this is an atheists site it should not be entitled Jehovah's Witness.net and advertise itself as a place to discuss biblical and doctrinal beliefs of jw's. It should be re-named as exjwatheists.net and be a place to tear apart anyone who believes anything except what atheists believe. Its a different format I think.
It makes no difference to me what you believe. You know what they say about opinions and everybody having one, just like .......'s every one has one.
JEHOVAH'S WITNESESS.NET The place to discuss anything relating to Jehovah's Witnesses
and the WatchTower Bible and Tract Society... or just make new friends!
THATS WHAT IT SAYS FOLKS ---- so how friendly are YOU ?
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Debunking the Bible
by Coded Logic inthere seems to be an endless number of ways to show the bible is not devinely inspired but all of it seems so complicated.
anyone know any simple arguements for this?
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objective - Psalm 50:9 I think it is conveying some idea of the non - material. In a world that did not know there were invisible worlds under their own feet and in the dirt or a drop of water. This is talking about a life form that does not need them or their animal sacrifices. Today, that seems simplistic to us but profound to the people of those times, the idea was there is something beyond what they know that is not about material everyday ritual and symbolic sacrifice. How would God convey that life is made up of energy and light and protons and atoms and complex beyond their imagination ? How could they be informed that billions of galaxies surrounded them and their own existance was a blink of an eye ?
If man was left to evolve on their own and to be who they chose to be, then the consequences of their actions and thier choices and interactions with others apparently were left to chance and circumstance. It would be the intervention that was unusual, not the lack of it. Did God intervene ? Was there opposing forces in an unseen universe ? Are we all on our own? Lost out here in the Stars? If we are all on our own, as atheists believe, then all the more reason to band together.
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Debunking the Bible
by Coded Logic inthere seems to be an endless number of ways to show the bible is not devinely inspired but all of it seems so complicated.
anyone know any simple arguements for this?
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Fink - thanks for this interesting comparison of details. I will look these up using Gateway online which has dozens of translations which all differ slightly as well.
Tiger and others- All I am saying is if the purpose of this site is to enlighten people to the life destroying trap of the Watchtower, then people like "Doc-House" (who probably will never own a house or be a doctor) due to the life stifling closed mindedness and isolationist policies of the WT, could be driven back in by this constant stomping on God and the Bible. It will back-fire.
You will not enlighten him/her you will alienate the very person you seek to enlighten. The deadly seven magic men, writing endless Watchtowers read by people who come here, those daring to seek a way out if possible, even the apologists who really are just testing their own indoctrination, might need a softer approach. Less anger ? The Site mandate seems to be stated in its own headings. It does not say it is a site for atheists to beat up believers, does it ?
Bible or no Bible, atheists or head chopping Islamic fundamentalist, its all a men hating on other men, suppressing women, grabbing stuff and beating each other up. The Bible claims there is something called Good and Evil. Unseen Spirits or invisible beings. SCIENCE tells us there is unseen forces, Dark Matter, other Dimensions, sounds almost religious, but because its science you respect that. There is too much unknown to pretend you have it all figured out, you don't.
The starter with these young JW's is to get them to look at the cold , simple facts of the history of their own leaders and the fact they have no "special knowledge" or magical Governing Body that "mediates" for them or any "special relationship" to God/Jehovah/Yaweh. That delusion is number one to topple. ( in my observation )