Posts by Paris

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Is The Governing Body Afraid To Slam Muslims???

by minimus in

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they boldly spoke against the catholics.

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i'd love to see them rail against the muslims..

Paris

The GB are COWARDS and serve only themselves and their own interests and their own power structure.

Their old fashioned ancient rants against Christendom are absurd, since Christendom is running most of the charities and relief agencies and soup lines and thrift shops and building hospitals and school and whole villages for orphans in Africa, in other words Christendom is able to get along with one another and concentrate on positive actions; while the WT does absolutely nothing, but praise itself, and criticsize others , UNLESS those "others" have bombs and might cut off your head.

If the Pope showed up at Bethel with a heavily armed, bomb throwing, missle firing army, and cut off a few heads, they would soon shut up about the Catholics as well.

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Help me help my DF'd friend

by OneEyedJoe in

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so i got a text from a friend of mine today telling me that he'd been df'd.

since i'm still nominally a witness, this puts me in a tricky spot.

i intend to tell him in no uncertain terms that i will not shun him, but i'm not sure where to go beyond that.

Paris

Is he nearby ? Can you just call him up ? Ask him WHY he got DF. May be he will open up to you. Hopefully it was because he questioned the GB the WT doctrines the FDS or read Crisis of Conscience. Please do not abandon him.

Ask him why he reached out to you in particular. Does he know you doubt the organization? If he does and was disfellowshipped for the same reason, he may need your support, unless he is planning on returning and getting reinstated.

Since his father is an elder, it could any absurd infraction, may be he enrolled in college or stopped going out in service or expressed his own opinions on some touchy subject. He is obviously reaching out to you, take his hand.

You need to show some courage behind your own convictions, you cannot live in fear and be a happy and authentic man. Is your wife the type to run to elders ? Would she really "turn you in" if you told her your real feelings ? What a terrible position to be in. May be your wife actually has doubts and is afraid to tell you ? And your both living a lie ? What do you talk about ? This is incomprehensible to me.

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Fudging the Numbers: Is the WTBTS in decline?

by Coded Logic in

it's no secret that the wtbts has a cash flow problem.

over the past three years they have closed 20 of their 116 branches.

they have sold off most of their properties in and around ny (including some kingdom halls), drastically reduced the # of printed pages for the watchtower and awake magazines, reduced the printing of books and other materials, increased the number of single page tract campagnes, installed cc machines at their assembly halls, and are now seizing of controll of property assets from local kingdom halls using renovation projects.

Paris

New baptisms are probably 80% withing existing families, children from 8 years old to early teens being pressured by the elders and their parents who are frightened they will become "worldly" and do something crazy, like going to university.

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My JW friend turned down the "privilege" of working the literature table at the park. Why?

by MissFit in

i have written before about my jw friend that plays hookie with me on sundays.

we skip the meeting and go straight to lunch and margaritas.

she converted later in life and has been a jw for over 25 years.. she is in her late 70's and has had heart problems.

Paris

The WT should supply ipads for free to every single JW. 7 million ipads ? They should get a big discount. Can you imagine how much money this woman has sepnt on literature in 25 years ? How sad that in her 70's she still feels pressured to have a "magazine route" and "get in her time" What absolute elder abuse. I am so glad you take her to lunch.

Put a paper cover with a Watchtower front page, glued on front of the book Crisis of Conscience and tell her its the latest new book you picked up at the convention.

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Update on: "I had a funny feeling"

by noontide in

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i dont know if anyone remembers this post, but i thought i would update you nonetheless.. .

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/279666/1/i-had-a-funny-feeling-he-was-a-witness-and-now-i-need-help .

quick recap: i was consulting at a firm where the hr director turned out to be a jehovahs witness.

Paris

Who knows, may be the information about the days of the week and his wedding ring will be a catalyst in his mind and start some critical thinking process. It is sometimes small things like that that start a small crack in the dike and the water just keeps dripping and dripping in his mind. You obviously hit some nerve when he started shaking his head and couldn't put it together. It is hard to imagine a competent person doing meaningful work of a problem solving nature, requiring critical thinking, being a JW for long. What a strange power, our own delusions have over us, its scary really. When you see it from the outside. He thinks he appears as a martyr and all he elicits is pity.

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"My Husband is Poisoning Me!" Judicial Committee number 256

by BucketShopBill in

i pulled up the notes from one of the more weird judical committe topics, this is the garbage your elders had to handle!.

the mind games played by one of the elderettes come's to mind, she was speaking to a sister that was suffering from severe anxiety and helped our depressed sister draw the conclusion that "sister depressed's husband is trying to poisoning her!

" off goes this once pretty and smart woman, she went to college and got her license to draw blood because she wanted to test it for arsenic and polonium (around the time that russian guy got off ed by vladimir putin).

Paris

Bucketshop - Now there is good material for a novel. You have access to these records ? I bet the stories would make a TV series.

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HOW TO AVOID THE A-HOLE SPIRIT OF SOME HERE...

by DATA-DOG in

1) take meds for your megalomania and delusions of grandeur.. .

suggestions welcome.. .

dd.

Paris

DJS and Shirley - You are both determined to

(1) Be Right, no matter what. ( how very JW of you )

(2) Denigrate any believer as not as "smart or well educated" as you are.

Of the highest IQ's in the scientific community, people in advanced hard sciences, like math and physics, 7% of this tiny group are believers, they all have PhD's and teach at Oxford, Harvard, Princeton and the Universoty of California and MIT. And your occupations would be ? Be careful who you denigrate. My guess is you do not have the credentials for that kind of criticism, just give it a rest.

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Fudging the Numbers: Is the WTBTS in decline?

by Coded Logic in

it's no secret that the wtbts has a cash flow problem.

over the past three years they have closed 20 of their 116 branches.

they have sold off most of their properties in and around ny (including some kingdom halls), drastically reduced the # of printed pages for the watchtower and awake magazines, reduced the printing of books and other materials, increased the number of single page tract campagnes, installed cc machines at their assembly halls, and are now seizing of controll of property assets from local kingdom halls using renovation projects.

Paris

7 million people ? Represents family groups ? The avergae family size in the US is 2.5 people per family? Lets take that low figure and this means there are 2,800,000 total families who are JW's in the entire planet earth. Earth has nearly 8 billion people.

2.8 million families are a a very small number. It is equivalent to a medium sized, not large city. Paris France has 10.8 million people. Los Angeles has nearly 15 million people living in L.A. City. Tokyo, Japan, has over 37 million people in that one city.

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Where was the dead body of Jesus? Did the disciples disappear it?

by opusdei1972 in

i am currently an skeptic, but i have to admit that i can't assure that all the stuff of early christianity was false.. for instance, we know that the genuine letters of paul were written before the destruction of jerusalem.

so, paul affirmed that jesus resurrected, though he was not there when it supposedly happened.

but, if jesus did not resurrect, why didn't the jews expose this falsehood?.

Paris

For those of you who keep saying "Jesus never existed" There was an actual court case recorded in Roman Law of the Trial of Jesus. naming Pontius Pilate and Jesus and the whole thing. Including his execution.

The Roman Trial of Jesus is studied by Law students at Law Schools. He was a historical actual Rabbi that died at 33 years old executed by the Romans, who like the Germans, kept very accurate and detailed records. Jesus of Galilee, who self identified himself as the Messiah, preached in Synagogues, and had a group of of followers for 3 years and preached to mobs of people.

So just getting on this site and saying, smugly, "jesus never existed", does not make you smart, it makes you gullible to believe that, because you read that statement somewhere on the internet

And as for dead bodies disappearing, there is more than one record of this happening in the Bible.

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Jesus was a false prophet?

by opusdei1972 in

and he said to them, "i tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of god come with power.

(mark 9:1).

when you are persecuted in one place, flee to another.

Paris

If you start a thread that essentially says Jesus was a false prophet, you have to allow for Christians to make a case that he was not a false prophet, without accusing them of "preaching" at you. Why be like the WT and stifle people ?

I don't know where anyone gets the idea his followers expected him to return in their life time, since they talk about the coming of anti-Christs and of their own deaths.

Beside, he did return to them right after he was resurrected and show himself to them and walk through walls and show his wounds. He also said he would send the holy spirit as a helper and his father and he would come to dwell with people and be with them and reside with them and they would all be one and things would go on through wars and various tribulations and not to think when there were false Christs that it was him returned, he indicated it would be generations away, he said it was a distant time and no one knew when not even him, so where did he lie ?

Some things he said referred to the destruction of the Temple in AD 70 and it has not been rebuilt to this day, in fact the Dome of the Rock, a Muslim mosque, sits on the Temple mound.

He also told the thieves on the crosses next to him, they would be "with him in Paradise". So what does that mean ? JW's come from this mindset that there are "two classes" earthly and heavenly and that seems to lead them to be controlled by the "upper class" Jesus said nothing like this, that should be the main concern here I think.