Posts by sowhatnow

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how many are there?

by sowhatnow in

scriptures that actually have the subject of prayer.. other than the our father prayer, when at any time in the bible was a person publicly praying?.

where does it say we must kneel, or pray at meal times, or pray for other people in the presense of others?.

where does it say public prayer was done?.

sowhatnow

whats interesting is 1st peter 4 , vs 7 starts out by saying the end of all things is near.

so if it was near to them, how on earth is it near to us!

thanks for those references, i noticed that they all are iwritten after jesus death, im curious to know of some that were spoken of by jesus himslef. ill have ot do some reading later.

the reason i want scripts for this subject is that my mom will not eat without praying, and makes my sisters kids who are not jws but who live temporarily in her home, come from whatever they are doing to sit and listen to her pray for dinner.

this annoys my sister [also a non jw but raised as one], to no end, they are her children if they wish to pray they need to have the right to do it on thier own. i told my mom there is no commandment that we have to pray every time we eat or every day even for that matter.

she disagrees but will not produce me the scripture that says such a thing. lol

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how many are there?

by sowhatnow in

scriptures that actually have the subject of prayer.. other than the our father prayer, when at any time in the bible was a person publicly praying?.

where does it say we must kneel, or pray at meal times, or pray for other people in the presense of others?.

where does it say public prayer was done?.

sowhatnow

scriptures that actually have the subject of prayer.

other than the our father prayer, when at any time in the bible was a person publicly praying?

where does it say we must kneel, or pray at meal times, or pray for other people in the presense of others?

where does it say public prayer was done?

i see scriptures where jessus always went away to pray, he advised his listeners to go into thier room and close the door and pray in secret

and do not be praying to be observed by others

so? how is it that people will pray to a large congregation/convention/ mealtimes/ and think its biblical?

there is not many scriptures talking about it are there?

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does the wt always carefully phrase sentences so as to never take blame?

by sowhatnow in

im recalling a time when i sat and circled words in a watchtower article, indicating strongly the fact that it is in fact the writters opinion.. however just the suggestion in the sentence these words are ignored.. for example.

it is our understanding.

we believe this to be the case.

sowhatnow

im recalling a time when i sat and circled words in a watchtower article, indicating strongly the fact that it is in fact the writters opinion.

however just the suggestion in the sentence these words are ignored.

for example

it is our understanding

we believe this to be the case

we can conclude that

evidentally,

it is suggested ,

we should [can be] be confident [confident, not meaning totally in agreement]

possibly,

and similar phrases.

now, has that always been the case and we missed it all these years ?

is it that we took every written word for fact, when the 'out' for us was glaring us in the face?

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Do Jws even need Jesus?

by TTWSYF in

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just thinking out loud becauseof some things my elder brother has said in the past.

how his works help ensure his future w/the great crowd on earth.. .

well, i need jesus for my salvation,but perhaps some of you do not.. just asking.

sowhatnow

no, jesus is only the imaginary messiah for the tiny nation of israel.

jesus may have never indicated that he was coming for all mankind literaly.

we got to read between the missing lines

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IT'S THE MOST WONDERFUL TIME OF THE YEAR!!!

by DATA-DOG in

just getting a jump on the holiday season!!

i figure that i will post this every year for discussion.

these were my observations when learning ttatt.

sowhatnow

wow, thats right, after having the SON OF GOD, as a virgin untouched by a man, mary was considered unclean. go figure

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The Faithful Slave - An Obvious Question I Haven't Heard Asked

by berrygerry in

since the big 7 have appropriated this "blessed" title for themselves, and disavowed the existence of this slave prior to 1919, an obvious question comes up.. was it not the apostate maria russell that proffered that ctr was "the slave," and was the coiner of the term "the faithful slave"?.

if the slave did not come into existence until 1919, then how was it possible that prior to 1919 that anyone knew that it existed, or would have been able to foretell that it would come into existence?.

was maria a prophetic apostate?.

sowhatnow

here is something i read recently that made my brain light up... this is just part of a longer article....

The Watchtower claims the Slave has been given all authority.

"The facts of modern history show that in the year 1919 [Jesus] revived these much afflicted disciples and gathered them together in a united body. Then he appointed them as his “slave” class “over all his belongings,” that is, over all his royal interests at the earth." Watchtower 1971 Dec 15 p.750

This is not what was intended by the Scriptures. The Bible states that the appointment over all the belongings is made after the master arrives.

Matthew 24:46,47 "Happy is that slave if his master on arriving (erchomai) finds him doing so. Truly I say to you, He will appoint him over all his belongings."

The master has not yet arrived, as the memorial is to cease on his arrival, and so the Slave has not been appointed over all the belongings.

1 Corinthians 11:26 "For as often as you eat this loaf and drink this cup, you keep proclaiming the death of the Lord, until he arrives (erchomai)."

The leaders have prematurely seized control for themselves, and consolidated that control. The 2012 version of the doctrine leaves Christians uncared for between 33 CE and 1919 CE, and elevates the exclusivity and importance of Governing Body. This is in contrast to the parable, which indicates that at this time the elders are to be shepherds of the congregation.

end.................

so, yes they still do memorial, so that means according to a lot of people he hasnt come yet. no appointment.

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What Was Your Body of Elders Like?

by minimus in

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friends

were they pretty much a good group of men?

we're they jerks?.

sowhatnow

I have no idea, never knew who most of them were.

most of the congregations i attended were fairly unfreindly, buisness like and clickish. no elders introducing themselves and offering assistance.

it was a mystery to me who was a mini servant. the elders that i once had to deal with during a family issue, were against women, bamed me for

my husbands alchohol abuse, basically told me im exagerating and 'blaming him' for everything.

[well, they all brewed the beer in thier homes so I was outnumbered by alchoholics, [all three of them eventually ended up having thier own issues and stepped down].

which i dont recall what that meant that i was 'blaming' because the reason for our 'problems' was thier and my husbands, lack of involvment in our family which needed spiritual support.

one only maybe could get my vote for 'good' elder. maybe.

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What's next, Food Banks?

by Quarterback in

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friends

just thinking, and speculating here.

who would have even immagined a tv channel as a change.

what could top that?.

sowhatnow

years a go i recall an article they printed that encouraged jws to use ours and the worlds, possesions, or riches, to further the good news.

i cant remeber the wording but i thought how contradictorey the article was first telling us we should not be dependant of satans system while on the other hand encouraging people to get what they can from the govt so they can be free to preach...

sort of like how mormons do, they have multiple children then go on food stamps. [how many kids and wives can you support for with your job??]

about ten people in my moms congregation go to the local food bank, which is OUT OF A CHURCH BASEMENT!! yea you got that right.

they go to 'chistendom' for a hand out.

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Reinstatement - repentance - works - Can you explain how this is supposed to work?

by berrygerry in

nov 15, 2006 wt.

when requesting reinstatement, he should be able to give evidence that he has repented and is producing works that befit repentance.acts 26:20.. .

how possibly can someone "give evidence" or "produce works"?.

sowhatnow

attending meetings, and not missing is about all you can do when your df, so i know what you mean.

id certainly like to know how someone regularly attending meetings and just sitting there not talking or associating is showing repentance, they did it anyway.

the elder evaluations that a df person goes through is rediculose, they aske questions as if you have any answers different than the last time they may have met with you. you just tell them what they want to hear, or what they are told to look for.

crying? I dont know.

it really makes no sense at all especially if you read the whole 26th chapter, from a real bible.

acts 26 was i believe talking about those who were unrepentant jews who were to return to god, and perfoming deeds in KEEPING WITH thier repentance

[english standard version] i dont think it is for us to apply. its was talking about the ones who were straying again from God. the chosen nation of israel.

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Elders removed in Northern PA. Congregation

by ToesUp in

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friends

a close family member just informed me what happened during their last c.o.

visit.

this occurred 3 months ago.

sowhatnow

well, if the local elders or C.o would simpy state openly to the congregation whats going on there wouldnt be any gossip huh? After all the congregation belongs to everybody, why dont they all have a right to know??

whats the bible say ? take the matter to the CONGREGATION, and let everyone hear it out. no more guessing and judging wrongly.

no more secrets....