Posts by sowhatnow

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Rivercrest Luxury Apartments

by tezrichmond in

i was totally p***d off about watchtower teaching u should keep your life simple and not investing in treasures in the earth etc while they are buying luxury apartments and forcing its residents out on the street including children.

so i got on with an email and sent it as follows.

if any from uk want to launch a complaint go to http://www.frsb.org.uk/donors/.

sowhatnow

i had read someplace that those who go to help on these building projects have to pay for their own food and lodging. so, how is that when your not working for a paycheck. and who pays for all the utilities in those buildings being used?

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Do JWs take Genesis literally?

by undercover in

as i grew up as a jw it seemed that we accepted genesis was a literal account with the only question being how long a creative day was.

for the longest time, as best as i can recall, a creative day was considered a thousand years long, based on the ole "a thousand years is as a day to jehovah" rule.. somewhere though, it seems that there was some waffling on how long a creative day was.

especially since science was showing that the earth was millions of years old.. since i've faded i wonder, do jws today consider genesis as a literal account of how things were created, even if they can't explain the exact length of a creative day?.

sowhatnow

nearly born in [age 4] , and never personally accepted genisis. its the most stupid pointless story, and reasoning especially about adam and eve , that ive ever read.

as for creation, i never put faith in that story, but its a fun read, i always knew ancient peoples knew little about the world around them, so I figured it doesn't matter to me what they wrote, Im living here now, and that's what matters.

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New Understanding of Slave Class

by mrquik in

jw
friends

good morning all (good evening to those on the wrong side of the world);.

could someone explain the new arrangement with the "anointed"?

is anyone other than the gb in this class anymore?

sowhatnow

im in stitches prologos! raptured? lol, [i want that article!]

see, even we cant make sense out if it to explain that it makes no sense.

who still goes to meetings and listens to the comments, does anyone comment from their own logic or is it just rephrasing whats written in the paragraph, 4 times.

since OBVIOUSLY they cannot research it, find scriptures to support it, or, or has an opinion on it.

look at the expressions of peoples faces. whos asleep?

is there any conversation on how wonderful it is NOW that they FINALLY understand it all?

lol.

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Rivercrest Luxury Apartments

by tezrichmond in

i was totally p***d off about watchtower teaching u should keep your life simple and not investing in treasures in the earth etc while they are buying luxury apartments and forcing its residents out on the street including children.

so i got on with an email and sent it as follows.

if any from uk want to launch a complaint go to http://www.frsb.org.uk/donors/.

sowhatnow

do we know if those who will use these purchased buildings will be staying in them free of charge??

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(Knock Knock) Who's there?

by Coded Logic in

if jws knocked on your door what would you say?.

i know jws don't really do "ministry" anymore (just leave special campaign tracts at the door and run away as fast as they can so they don't have to talk to anyone) but if they ever actually tried to have a conversation with me i wonder what i would say.

most likely i'd ask about matthew 4:8 where it says the devil took jesus to the top of an unusually high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world.

sowhatnow

Id ask how it is that they can take litteral the number 144000 but not litteral the fact tehy were virgin men fro mthe 12 tribes of judah.

'If one argues that the 144,000 represents a literal number, he should similarly contend that the group of which that number consists is also literal, i.e., literal Israelites.

That would mean, according to the Watchtower scheme of interpretation, that no one would be in heaven who was not of the actual tribes listed.

This would also exclude Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob — who were never of the tribes of Israel. And yet, that conflicts with Jesus’ affirmation that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob will be in the kingdom of heaven (Mt. 8:11).

and where in the bible does it say there will be people who live through armageddon?

where does it say paradise earth? where does it say women go to heaven? or that women are annointed? where does it say on the bible only one chosen kind of people are saved By jesus sacrifice? doesnt it say he dies for all men? whose idea is it to take a parable and turn it into a prophesy?

and who do you think wrote that there gray bible of yours?

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If Your JW Parent Died Would YOU Go To The Kingdom Hall For The Talk?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i would like your thoughts, please..

sowhatnow

only if there was someone else Id hurt If I did not. otherwise no, because a dead person doesnt know anyway.

I hate funerals they are morbid and pointless. my mom wont miss a funeral no matter what, she views it as a social event, though shed deny that.

she says 'oh you got to be there for the people who are alive to show them you care'

ah, but you dont care about them until they loose someone? then you care about them for a day?

its like a wedding, one day fo acting.

you invite lots of people so your 'gift list' is filled, then you dont see half of those people ever again. weird traditions.

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To all my congregation Elders :

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

thank you for coming to my house so often because you were so concerned about me missing so many meetings.. ( actually, the only time you visited was when the circuit and district overseers were in town.

you really showed them how concerned you were about your sheep.

i now know that it is more of a duty than a concern.).

sowhatnow

lol, well not to bash all the x elders, they knew they were expected to go against thier conscience, thats why they left!

its sad that a man cannot be who he really is because some organization tells him how to treat other people and leaves him no time to do the good he can do.when you thik about it, that arrangement can never work, there is only enough time in the week to work for a paycheck, and care for the familys needs

let alone involve others in our lives. some of us are lucky if we have enough time to see our own extended family members.

i try to be glad for the one person who does get the attention of someone else other than thier own mate or adult child.

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is this weird or is it me?

by sowhatnow in

i got here a 1998 awake bound volume and im leafing through it and found the december issue with the cover jesus what did he really look like who is he.. in the photo, there is a scetching of jesus along side a color artists picture .

the hand looks odd.

who would draw a hand like that?.

sowhatnow

lol

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can an unhappy married woman vent?

by sowhatnow in

i continue to be saddened by the fact that i am married to such a selfish man.. i want to know if i am the only wife who has no say when it comes to using the house she lives in for activities including other people.. .

let me explain.. yesterday my daugher who is 35 got a new puppy for my grandaughter who is 13. today my daughter and son in law are going to help my uncle at a job, and my granddaughter wanted to spend the day here, my daugher said shed bring her and the puppy over, i laughed and said 'your dad wont have that, ill have to go to your house'.. after all it will 'upset' the 2 cats they will hide all day [like they do anytime someone including my grandchild is in my home] .. i already knew that he would not like it if she brought the puppy over, [weve had dogs so its not like he hates them].

he doesnt care if his grandaughter would have enjoyed playing with the puppy over grandmas house, where she likes to be for a change, and that fact that id like to see what my cats would do when they saw a dog for the first time in thier lives.. maybe id have liked to play with the puppy .. when i said to my husband that my daughter said she wanted tp bring them over he said.

sowhatnow

well tonight was typical of how my husband continues to keep himself from being a normal loving human.

my daughter had a dinner tonight, and she invited us over a week ago. i told her wed be there,

well, my husband does not enjoy going to peoples homes for dinner , he will make any excuse to not go.

todays? 'i work all week including saturday, i want sunday to watch the game and just relax'. he relaxes every day from 9am to 2 pm till he goes to work.

i called my daughter and told her , you dad doesnt want to come, hes tired and wants to stay home and relax.

she texted him not letting him know i told her that, and asked him if he invited his brother [who stopped by to look at a computer , a man we see once a year at best] to see what he would reply back.

well when he told her he wasnt going they must have had words.

so as usual i went over alone.

when i got ot her house she said shes not talking to him anymore, and isnt coming over on christmas day for dinner.

so not only has he not , as usual considered her feelings, nor mine, nor his grandchilds, he doesnt care that now he has ruined my dinner.

hes alienated his own brothers and sisters as well he never sees them or makes any effort to call them.

he is very selfish, and i dont understand why. he has no reason to be.

if he askes me to go anywhere with him, i go. I go because i consider his feelings. hes my husband and its normal to be with the one yur supposed to love if the want your company. I dont really mind ,

but If I ask him to go anywhere with me [which after only 3 i learned never to ask] he makes any escuse, or comes right out ans says no I dont want to. if he does go with me anyplace he makes it painfully obviouse hes simply tolerating it.

Im clueless. when we had a serious talk after we got back together after our seperation two years ago, he told me that he finds me ' attractive'

more so than most women, and its not me , bla bla, [as to why he cant perform, its him getting older and he cant make 'it work' ]

no its beer, its killed it, and put weight on him.

this is all his excuse to avoid telling me the truth. which i have no idea what that is. he NEVER talks about anything that bothers him

well, so im 'attractive', and he has no desire for me? . hmm. funny the bottle of personal lubricant is almost empty, and i havent used it.

is that a nice way of telling me im not pretty or cute to him? well, ok then why ask for my forgivness?

my daughter told me 'dads selfish, everybody works we take time out for those we care about'

shes seen him so drunk last year at a picnic she held at her place, that he fell asleep on the ground in front of everyone.

i saw him arrive drunk,[ i had food to deliver earlier] and i immediately left. ruined my day and made himself a spectical.

i said to her, 'well he cant come over your house watch what he wants and drink beer till he falls asleep'

thats what he does every saturday and sunday and any day he has off.

i have tried to be the perfect wife. anyone who knows me knows that i am as close to one as can be. he always gets his way, i try not to get into any disagreements with him, i let him sleep alone , i have stopped asking for sex months ago, i try to avoid spending more money that I have to.

the house is clean, meals are cooked, apointments are made, clothes are washed, ect. all he has ever needed to do was go to work,

which yes is a hard job, i dont deny it, and he does good work, hes saved us thousands on auto repairs and home repairs, he can do almost anything.

but hes aways avoided being with me my family, and freinds.

I think hes bitter , for two reasons, one , he feels he was 'trapped' into marrying me after i got pregnant, then persuaded to be a jw, which made him loose any and all future freinds [not that hed have had any good ones thats for sure]

then when he did have the chance to divorce me, he caved because his new relationship wasnt going to work out, the lonliness and regret made his second guess his feelings, as of course did I, and being a forgiving person that i am I gave him yet the 500th chance to prove he can be a loving husband.

so for two months maybe four we lived sort of like a normal couple, having sex, going out to dinner, watching movies together.

but that was about it, he still wouldnt go visit anyone with me.

and here we are three years later right back where we were 10 years [or three] ago.

now i have three more doctors to go to and make sure i am 'healthy'

my lowere back mri showed nothing, my foot mri showed nothing, the pain i have seems to be emotional.

a good massage would help, and Im not getting that, lol

and right now my mom is preaching to me, and she told me now my dad again yes, againwent into the emergency room.

so im out, lol

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does the wt always carefully phrase sentences so as to never take blame?

by sowhatnow in

im recalling a time when i sat and circled words in a watchtower article, indicating strongly the fact that it is in fact the writters opinion.. however just the suggestion in the sentence these words are ignored.. for example.

it is our understanding.

we believe this to be the case.

sowhatnow

i am looking at an article from the 08 wt jan 15th 'counted worthy to receive a kingdom'

par13 - 16 using these

apparently, it could be, seems reasonable, it seems evidentally.

these words are the ones i may sometime need to show to someone to make them realize its all a mans opinion and they need not fear

thinking on their own.

it seems the org continues to view itself in the same light as the nation of israel. they till this very day constantly refering to mosaic law scriptures.

old testiment scriptures, which absolutely are not meant for todays populations. they always draw comparisons to ancient israel and expect jws today to folllow the same thinking pattern.

lets see now with this rumor of changed again ' thoughts' how they will weasel out of it.