Posts by sowhatnow

21

Changes and why

by Formerbrother in

so far these are all the recent changes i know of, please add more if i have missed anything.. 1. all construction projects have either been stopped or reduced.. 2. all bethels are downsizing by at least 20% within one year of the announcement, and almost certainly more in years to come.. 3. remaining belelites will have to make their own food, do their own washing and cleaning.. no more laundry department, no more kitchen and waiters, no more housekeeping!.

and you still only get 80 per month, but no rent or bills, and food will be provided in the family fridge but you have to prepare it yourself.. as to why, it has been said several times officially its not because of a lack of funds, but how could that possibly be the truth?.

sowhatnow

So, what does a person DO up at any of those places ? if I remember correctly, there was an announcement made years ago that they were not taking any more applications for persons to go to bethel, so who goes and why if all funding for projects are being cut? for all that matter they never needed printing facilities, they could have paid a company to print stuff up for crying out loud and never built a factory for printing. Ive always been confused by all that whole purpose of that big complex in new york and wallkill

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"Most women would prefer to be stay at home housewives. Women's lib did alot of damage to women!"

by purrpurr in

jw
friends

the above is a quote from a jw female relative.

this was in response to a discussion about the suffragette movement ( and the movie about it that's currently in cinemas).

she seemed to think that it would be so much better if women were just daughters/ wives/ mothers and didn't go out to work and have career's?

sowhatnow

well, maybe having controlling mothers, or being a mamas boy, can be a problem, lol, maybe but then we have the old saying behind every successful man is a woman, lol well, women are the ones who carry the children, so maybe there was a little issue there one time...

Thing is, society is changing, and traditional beliefs are being challenged, and many of us are having a difficult time coping with how to survive with so much change, on top of the world economic situation that just adds to any families value system. Now even men view men who are stay at home fathers in a negative light.

its really all about who we can love for what they can do, not what society says they should do.

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It's OK to be an Apostate ... but only if you're on the Governing Body

by Simon in

look at the governing body.

none of them believe now what the wts believed back when they were born and later baptized.. so why aren't they disfellowshipped for apostasy?.

simple - because the true beliefs are always taken to mean whatever they currently consider them to be.. think about it - they can never be apostates because whatever they decide to believe becomes "the truth" and anyone not believing it is then guilty of apostasy, even if they believe things the wts has taught them all their lives.. if you do believe in the bible and jesus story, do you think this is what he intended?

sowhatnow

they may be more apostate than anyone considering, they 'spread' the new ideas, and want followers to believe what they say,

whereas most x jw's just leave, present no 'teachings' , dont want people to follow after them, and just want to have a lively discussion sometimes about thoughts on scripture.

An original biblical apostate, I thought, was only one who left Israel? or the mosaic law? whatever it meant at that time, does not app;y to JWs at all. imo.

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80 Million Year Old Dinosaur Blood Vessels

by cofty in

just astonishing.. when i was a child we were taught that fossils were nothing more than mineral ghosts of ancient bones.

even the protein structures can be studied using high resolution mass spectrometry.

this will allow researchers to study the evolution of proteins.

sowhatnow

call me what you will, but, a million is a lot, and 80 million , hmm, I dont know how anything can last that long, preserved or not, especially organic matter. I honestly cant figure out how the earth itself can be that old. seems to me it will gradually change and someday be uninhabitable.

I think for some reason, the time is off. its been proven before, in digs, that they were wrong on the time. carbon dating is viewed by some scientists, as sometimes flawed.

but still, its amazing, and maybe a wee bit scary, we dont need a real Jurassic park, lol

13

How drunk was Jehovah when he made the Platypus!!!

by Witness 007 in

rare mammal that lays eggs!

meat eater!

when taken home to england from australia scientist thought it was a hoax.

sowhatnow

those animals are from leftover parts from other creations that just happen to fit together and work,lol

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"Most women would prefer to be stay at home housewives. Women's lib did alot of damage to women!"

by purrpurr in

jw
friends

the above is a quote from a jw female relative.

this was in response to a discussion about the suffragette movement ( and the movie about it that's currently in cinemas).

she seemed to think that it would be so much better if women were just daughters/ wives/ mothers and didn't go out to work and have career's?

sowhatnow

well, DJS, I agree with everything you say.

however,you have to admit, what is 'presented' at dating, will change anyway, life changes, you gotta roll with the change.

and for your last paragraph ,your, 'wish list' you'll be lucky to get half.

So basically, you just want to date? if you do, well join the other thousands of single and still searching men on dating sites. I see that all the time,its been over a year that Ive been quietly browsing some of those sites, and its the same people in their profiles.. 'dating nothing serious' really? wtf? go to a bar or stand on a street corner then. um, thats why they are STILL on the dating sites.

this from men in their 50 yet! lol , who do they think they are ,new college grads with buff bodies? lol they cant be that picky. 'average' means a few extra pounds these days.

oh and this one, 'want independent women with her own 'career' and friends'

wow, so that leaves out an awful lot of women. you know, the pool gets smaller the older we get.

I have a job, not a career.

oh wait, maybe Im a career housekeeper, been doing it all my life. it sucks. good pay makes it worth it. well,maybe.

if men don't want a woman waking up next to them, why even look for a relationship?

Id think, women want a commitment.

Ladies, do you want to just 'date' or do you want a commitment? I think we need a new thread..... lol

do you want to just live with someone, or be married.

I for one would like to have someone next to me in the rocking chair on the porch sipping tea when Im 80. but I dont have to have a piece of paper bonding me to someones 'wealth' .

love and trust goes beyond fear of someone walking out on them and leaving them for something petty.

Id tend to think women wouldn't want a man who thinks they are 'dispensable' . they can walk when you loose your job or have to stop working due to health issues. so there is. no commitment, no real love.

Id not want my man to feel that way, that he might be temporary, until I tire of him.

I don't know how old you are DJS or how much time you have , but the older we get the harder it is to find someone willing to be a permanent part of your life , getting older presents new challenges, like failing health, one that each person has to accept as a responsibility. you really have to love someone to be helping them out sometimes.

let me enlighten you to something, many many women who 'put weight on when they get into a relationship, is because they take birth control pills. [what else puts huge amounts of weight on people, almost immediately, in case all readers aren't already aware, is anti depressants and a host of other prescription drugs that mess your hormones and thyroid all up].

Ive seen it a thousand times. or, they have babies, and what happens is, they have huge hormonal changes, have their 'abs' permanently rearranged, and its not always about eating. you think women enjoy loosing a girlish figure? not a chance.

so what is the excuse for all the 40 plus something men, who dont give birth, who I see with bellies spilling out over their belts? beer? pizza, finally reaching the top tier of their employment opportunities and being in a desk job? oh wait, relaxed muscle. lol

and sometimes its just age related.

for now at least Im thin, but woe is me if I get terribly sick, Ill waste away pretty fast with no fat stores,lol

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"Most women would prefer to be stay at home housewives. Women's lib did alot of damage to women!"

by purrpurr in

jw
friends

the above is a quote from a jw female relative.

this was in response to a discussion about the suffragette movement ( and the movie about it that's currently in cinemas).

she seemed to think that it would be so much better if women were just daughters/ wives/ mothers and didn't go out to work and have career's?

sowhatnow

lol ucantnome,

I hear ya.

a mom and wife, who works outside of the home, now, they work double time. I could never do that. I just dont know how they have the energy.

our value is often overlooked.

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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

by cofty in

... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

they take pride in obedience.

sowhatnow

that's comforting cofty, so, my dad last week, had two units of blood, that I know of.

so ,he was only 'unclean' till that evening, while in intensive care.

mom wont agree though... but yay, dad is not 'dedicated' so even though he 'studies' hes not under 'law', apparently, lol,

75 yr old man just recently studying with a org. he criticized his whole life... hmm.

no one's gonna tell me its not just for the attention and for something to do.

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"Most women would prefer to be stay at home housewives. Women's lib did alot of damage to women!"

by purrpurr in

jw
friends

the above is a quote from a jw female relative.

this was in response to a discussion about the suffragette movement ( and the movie about it that's currently in cinemas).

she seemed to think that it would be so much better if women were just daughters/ wives/ mothers and didn't go out to work and have career's?

sowhatnow

TD, your correct to feel men arent emasculated by equality, lots of men have no issue with women wanting to do what they wish, and enjoy. However, what I dont agree with, IF I understand you correctly, this statement,you make..

'People, regardless of their gender are not going to divide their estate with someone who's bringing substantially less to the table. Not by and large at any rate'.

what happened to love and 50 50 relationships?

Um, so, say me for example, a stay at home mom and wife for 35 years, who did everything I physically could to make our marriage equal in responsibility, does not 'bring' the same to the table because it was not a paycheck?

lucy you got some 'splainin to do! lol

The fact that I never made a mortgage payment on the house I lived in but kept clean, or paid utilities that i used to cook meals and wash clothes, means I brought nothing to the table? gee, should I have charged a fee for sex? lol

so, I am not entitled to half my x husbands assets because why? I worked for them. Im not some crab ass greedy person, Im not going after him for anything but what I need to have to live. I worked just as hard as he did, and because now Im not going to benefit from the nice house and retirement life that I worked towards along with him, due to this unfortunate unwanted divorce, Im supposed to go off empty handed and struggle living in a basement of my kids house because I have no benefits that I worked for?

and your statement,

'At my age, a man can't usually get a second date unless he has at least one house paid for free and clear'

36

Elders now ORDERED by the Org to fleece the sheep

by The Searcher in

the org is now demanding money from the witnesses, via the latest letter sent to elders regarding the circuit's excess funds.

succeeded in getting elders everywhere to hand over their own congregation's "excess funds" - now their circuit's bank balances are going to be plundered.. the spineless and subservient elders will cooperate without a whimper, because they're afraid of losing their little bit of power which the org has bestowed upon them.

(john 11:48).

sowhatnow

so let me get this strait, aside from simple logic , that a building needs maintenance at times, and funds need to be immediately available [for example a furnace breaks down or the roof needs a repair, or the lot needs plowed]

And OMG, if any member happens to need some sudden financial help,[not that I have ever heard of anyone getting money from the congregation funds for a necessity ] Elders , cannot use their positions, as 'allowed' and granted to them by the society, lol, as to what is best for their particular congregations?

gee what next no elders? if elders need to pass every thing they do on to the GB, for approval, then who needs elders? then elders are not more than police for the GB government. sort of takes away the desire to give a crap.

at what point does a person think, 'gee, our body of elders is every bit as smart as those guys so why do we need the GB to tell us whats best to do for our hall? they claim to not be perfect, they dont know our specific needs or situation, we can handle it ourselves'.

It doesn't click in the old brain that they are overlords controlling everything. and that by defending them it is idol worship.

I recall my mom saying to me once, 'well you need bothers to lead, and I said, "well how are brothers made elders, and half your age, smarter than you?' [knowing full well she had disagreed with something they did in the past] If I tell you something mom, you tell me Im a fool and misled, and Im more knowledgeable than they are about the bible to begin with".

well that conversation ended.