Posts by sowhatnow

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How to Bewilder a Witness!

by The Searcher in

ask a witness what seems like a simple bible question: "nine verses in the bible tell us that jesus is going to judge the living and the dead.

(john 5:28,29, acts 10:42, acts 17:31, romans 14:9, 2 cor.

5:10, 2 tim.

sowhatnow

I ve read a logical explanation a while ago that said the 'living' were those of the house of israel,

or Gods chosen people, and the dead are everyone else.

perhaps 'dead' in works or the deeds.

good question, but hey jw arent allowed to question, because not too many have an answer to give, they have trouble defending thier beliefs.

I ask why the apostle paul never spoke about a future faithfull slave that christ was going to choose to be his mediator. or the 144,000.

the bible has many many contadictions because its wasnt a first hand account of anything, there were no litteral witnesses who wrote things down as they happened. it was stories handed down then written down. matthew mark luke and john all have contradictions, and yet some scriptures are exactly the same scritpure, showing that someone was copying word for word another account.

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Where is Jesus RIGHT NOW?

by kairos in

let's say he began ruling in 1914.. where is that rulership?.

i'm hoping this line of thought gets someone thinking.. .

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sowhatnow

i read this last night and was amazed that i did not see it before this is just some of it the link for the whole article is over at jwfacts on the subject of faithful and descreet slave

[apparently he hasnt come yet, according to the wt, becasue they are still doing memorial, which was to cease when he came.]

but this was the most interesting parts to me.

One must wonder, if God truly appointed the Governing Body to dispense truth since 1919, why it took them 93 years to dispense the truth about this doctrine.
What is remarkable about this teaching is that in 1981 the Watchtower described this very concept, that only the leaders represent the Slave class, as deceptive and from objectors; in other words, it was an apostate teaching.
"Witnesses of Jehovah understand that the "slave" is comprised of all anointed Christians as a group on earth at any given time during the 19 centuries since Pentecost. Accordingly, the "domestics" are these followers of Christ as individuals.

Some readers may feel that this is a rather sectarian view of matters. Or they may object to the idea that the "slave" and the "domestics" represent the same class, one as a composite body and the other as individuals. The objectors may argue that not all of Christ's anointed disciples have a share in preparing the spiritual food, so that perhaps the "slave" pictures only the leading ones, and the "domestics" those they serve in the congregation.

There is no point in trying to force an interpretation of the parable. Self-deception is of no benefit and is spiritually damaging. Therefore, we must look to the Scriptures for an understanding. In doing this, what do we find?
[ ... ]
Thus we see a clear Scriptural basis for saying that all anointed followers of Christ Jesus make up God's "servant," with Jesus as its Master." Watchtower 1981 Mar 1 pp.24-26

Consequences
The Watchtower claims the Slave has been given all authority.
"The facts of modern history show that in the year 1919 [Jesus] revived these much afflicted disciples and gathered them together in a united body. Then he appointed them as his “slave” class “over all his belongings,” that is, over all his royal interests at the earth." Watchtower 1971 Dec 15 p.750
This is not what was intended by the Scriptures. The Bible states that the appointment over all the belongings is made after the master arrives.
Matthew 24:46,47 "Happy is that slave if his master on arriving (erchomai) finds him doing so. Truly I say to you, He will appoint him over all his belongings."
The master has not yet arrived, as the memorial is to cease on his arrival, and so the Slave has not been appointed over all the belongings.
1 Corinthians 11:26 "For as often as you eat this loaf and drink this cup, you keep proclaiming the death of the Lord, until he arrives (erchomai)."

The leaders have prematurely seized control for themselves, and consolidated that control. The 2012 version of the doctrine leaves Christians uncared for between 33 CE and 1919 CE, and elevates the exclusivity and importance of Governing Body. This is in contrast to the parable, which indicates that at this time the elders are to be shepherds of the congregation.
One would expect that the definition for one of Jehovah's Witnesses to be a person that worships Jehovah. However, the defining concept to being a Jehovah's Witness is not worship of Jehovah, but rather following the "faithful and discreet slave." In a judicial committee, the foremost question is not whether a Witness believes the Bible or worships Jehovah, but whether they believe God is using the Watchtower Faithful and Discreet Slave in our day. If a person believes in the Bible and Jehovah, they will still be disfellowshipped as an apostate if they openly confess that the Watchtower leaders do not represent Jehovah's slave.
The Governing Body has managed to deflect attention from Jesus by means of their doctrine that Jesus is mediator for the Slave class alone, and that salvation can only be achieved through association with the Slave.
"He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members. " Worldwide Security Under the "Prince of Peace" (1986) pp.10-11
"Jesus knew that he was going to purchase these anointed ones with his own blood, so he fittingly referred to them collectively as his slave." Watchtower 1993 May 1 p.16

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bible scholar talks about translating the greek scriptures?

by venting in

could some one help me find that video someone posted.

the video was a teacher showing how the book of mark was translated.

i watched the whole thing.

sowhatnow

geeze, that sounds great, let me know too! my mom age 72 thinks the whole governing body has degrees in biblical studies.

funny though she fails to realize, even if they did, they would have to go to a 'worldy' college to get those! and she thinks nothing, absolutely nothing

outside what the society says is right! you cant even mention a single article in any magazine or book or web site that I read becasue she says its all propaganda! lol oh how that makes me want to l.o.l !

shes a real pain to get sucked into a debate with, but she draws me in every time.

after i get off the phone with her I feel like someone just pulled me out of a boxing ring.

shes too old for me to bother trying to undoctrinize. shed have nothing to do on the weekends accept bug me.

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ALERT: NEW LAWSUIT settlement - $13 MILLION

by Watchtower-Free in

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/135m-awarded-to-bible-teacher-gonzalo-campos-alleged-abuse-victim-jose-lopez-281031832.html.

(published thursday, oct 30, 2014).

thursday, oct 30, 2014 updated at 11:58 pm pdt.

sowhatnow

it really puzzles me , that of all the things the society changes in doctrinal teachings, why would it be so difficult to keep out of affairs of personal natures such as these and people simply call the law and deal with these crimes like everyone else does?

they know how much its costing them, they know its wrong, so what the hay?

I cant wraap my head aroung the logic of not being willing to give people personal responsibility for thier own lives and staying out of it.

they would have so many more followers IF they were simpy honest and nice about things!

well you know the old saying, pride before a fall....

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Find What Your Social Status Was in the Congregation

by Mary in

jw
friends

ever notice how the "happiest people on earth" are also the most class-oriented?

the social structure in the congregation is more complex than the blueprints of a nuclear warhead, but just so that you "remember your place", see if you can find where your niche was/is:.

1. at the top of the social order of things within the congregation is of course, the presiding overseer and his family.

sowhatnow

our family was a blend of 5 and 6, our kids were well behaved, we got compliments about it, yet no one ever invited us to thier home for any other reason than conregation related events like picnics or baby showers. and yea everyone always had an exscuse why they were too busy to get thier kids together with my kids. and I was always the one to ask, and drive my kids everyplace.

and, my son DID get punched in the stomach by an older boy only 3 months after starting a new congregation, which he did not tell me till 8 years later! after that my son wouldnt go, I never forced my kids to go to a meeting,[ like my mom did to me by using guilt].

he stayed home with his father who was stumbled out because when our daughter got into trouble, and my husband discussed it with an elder hoping or help, instead, he got a glare, and the words 'wow you got some problems there to work on dont you' and off he walked.

after that my husband never went again. neither did my kids. I went for years alone. now i dont care anymore. Im not missed thats for sure.

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Steven Lett Governing body tells his Grandfather beaten for playing loud Rutherford records....Why??

by Witness 007 in

at the international convention melbourne brother lett of the group 2 faithful slave told an emotional story of his grandfather on a sidewalk in texas playing a rutherford recording loudly till a irratated texan came out of a house, smashed the grammaphone and punched him in the face...if you ever heard rutherford you would know why.

for example religion is a snare and a racket invented by satan....no wonder they were banned..tarred and feathered...killed and put in jail playing the rantings of a maniac.

brother lett was proud of him...i pitty the fool.. .

sowhatnow

you gotta wonder how anyone fell for that to begin with

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new assembly experience... what do you reckon to this one?

by purrpurr in

ok so aparently there was this young girl who wanted to study with the jw's because she loved the bible so much.

she asked her fathers permission but he refused, after much nagging though he said she could have a study if she was prepared to have one of her fingers chopped off.

he thought the is would stop her but she was willing so he got a knife and cut off one of her fingers... a little while later she wanted to attend the meetings and he said no and again when nagged said she could attend meetings if she had another finger chopped off so she agreed and he chopped off a second finger.

sowhatnow

so its better to have your father 'cut off your finger', [for a bunch of foolish beliefs] when you disobey him, and God, [who told us to obey our parents as long as we are under their roof and we are not being abused]

, than to simply cooporate respct your father, and read the bible on your own time and wait till you move from home then persue your own faith?

how does someone reason that this would be, faith strenghthening? its terrifying if you ask me. and gee the father got away with that,hmmm.

have my kids get their fingers cut off for going to church? Yea right. God wouldnt be so stupid.

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anyone got this article? from 1947 awake

by sowhatnow in

im looking for the article called 'are you also excommunicated' in the jan 8th 1947 awake.. anyone have a pdf file to share so i can print it?

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thanks one way or the other.

sowhatnow

thanks ill hope to print that up later.

gotta run,

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anyone got this article? from 1947 awake

by sowhatnow in

im looking for the article called 'are you also excommunicated' in the jan 8th 1947 awake.. anyone have a pdf file to share so i can print it?

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thanks one way or the other.

sowhatnow

im looking for the article called 'are you also excommunicated' in the jan 8th 1947 awake.

anyone have a pdf file to share so i can print it?

thanks one way or the other

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why no one could hang on a stake

by sowhatnow in

has any one ever pondered the artists rendering of jesus and the 2 'criminals' beside him?

wth upright bodies?

no blood,.

sowhatnow

has any one ever pondered the artists rendering of jesus and the 2 'criminals' beside him? wth upright bodies? no blood,

think about it, for one thing a grown mans body could not possiblly hang on his wrists with a single nail.

the wrists are what the wt decides that the nails are through not the hands.

the feet would also tear and be broken, you can nail feet over top each other without using a huge long metal mail like pin.

the weight of the person, would tear through the flesh and probably disconnect his shoulders , he would be bleading to death as the nails would go right thorugh the blood artery. you cannot breath either, your lungs are compressed .

there would be blood pouring out profusely.

Any human hung this way would be in so much agony they would have no idea who was next to them, they wouldnt be able to talk

theys be delerious in no time, and dead with in hours.

now compare that with tieing the wrists on the cross beam, and tieing the tow ankles to the pole. the nailing the hands or wrists and feet

even that would produce profuse bleeding and agony. but perhaps prolong life a while longer.

now I ask you, what God, or father in their right mind would do that to a child, and use that to redeem mankind? I must be better than God to never every do that ors expect that of my son.

hes God he doesnt need to prove anything to anyone.

he could have simply allowed sinners to die off and those who did not sin to live forever, and that still would have completed Gods plan.

end of story.