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  So, dead members of the 144,000 help direct the preaching work from beyond the grave?

  by Zoos in

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  did i understand that right?

  was that a claim rutherford made?.

  i don't suppose anyone has that quote..

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  hey, good point jerome

  
  
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  why is this not an issue with the wt org?

  by sowhatnow in

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  2. scandals

  i watched this and thought hmm, so when getting a birth certificate, your handing your child over to be owned by the govt.

  anyone with the 'stock certificate of manifest' [how much your worth] is owned by their govt.. the wt is ok with everyone including themselves being owned by 'satans govt' lol.. in theory no jw should have a birth certificate.

  especially since they let people in the past, die over that refusal to have a govt issued certificate.. they assign you a bond /stock number, its the tiny red letters on your certificate.. and you are now property of that government , so you have no rights to your children, they can take them if they feel you are in the wrong.. they and we are slaves to a govt.. [our last names are a 'brand' creepy.

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  i watched this and thought hmm, so when getting a birth certificate, your handing your child over to be owned by the govt. anyone with the 'stock certificate of manifest' [how much your worth]  is owned by their Govt.
  

  the WT is ok with everyone including themselves being owned by 'satans govt' lol.

  in theory no jw should have a birth certificate.  especially since they let people in the past,  die over that refusal to have a govt issued certificate.
  

   they assign you a bond /stock number,  its the tiny red letters on your certificate.

  and you are now property of that government , so you have no rights to your children, they can take them if they feel you are in the wrong.

  they and we are slaves to a govt.

  [our last names are a 'brand' creepy. were basically categorized before were born. lol.]
  

  now, who is going to never sign a birth certificate? has anyone tried?
  

  
  

  whats your take?
  

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLX67xy0Jkw
  
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  Did God establish His Covenant with the Gentile Nations or the Jews?

  by sowhatnow in

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  2. beliefs

  im not sure where to post this but i think its telling.

  not long but read it closely i get a bit confused on the latter half.

  the question is did god establish his covenant with the gentile nations or the jews.. [though i have read from a jewish web source, that the jews have nothing to do with israel and the greek scriptures or half the hebrew scriptures ].

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   well then, thanks  all,  for the 'easier understanding' of that  ,lol.

  now that i see that for me it makes no difference, ill simply apply the go to phrase

  love your neighbor as yourself.
  

  
  
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  Did God establish His Covenant with the Gentile Nations or the Jews?

  by sowhatnow in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  im not sure where to post this but i think its telling.

  not long but read it closely i get a bit confused on the latter half.

  the question is did god establish his covenant with the gentile nations or the jews.. [though i have read from a jewish web source, that the jews have nothing to do with israel and the greek scriptures or half the hebrew scriptures ].

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   ok to the nitty gritty,

  so what were the things Jesus  said to 'observe'  and commanded him to do that he was to preach?  if Jesus was only  a messiah for Israel, 
  

  did Jesus not observe the law code?  was this what paul was to 'observe' as well, and then teach to the others, as then the gentiles who chose to follow the teachings of Christ are attached as 'branches'?

  the other sheep were to be brought IN to the fold correct?
  

  outside are the dogs....
  
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  JW TV is the reason for the hysteria in the KH

  by campaign of hate in

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  2. friends

  if you, like me, have noticed the sudden increase in hysteria in the khs right now, i put it down to that jw tv site.

  its's far more extensive than i thought it was, i thought it was just 1, 1 hour program a month.

  there's a s*** load of videos on that site.. and the real problem, from just watching a clip from each video, is that these guys are clearly "mentally unstable".

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  omg!  ttattelder, they turn the lights out? sounds like some sci fi  movie i saw in the 70's 
  
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  New JW video, song and dance

  by Listener in

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  the current jws do not cease to amaze.

  here's their latest video on youtube and straight from bethel.. there is a lot of work involved in this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwou6e5vwbo .

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  there went my breakfast, thanks a lot,lol
  
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  Watchtower choir

  by wannaexit in

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  i think i've seen it all now.

  nothing surprises me.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpfzs7l_3sq.

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   HEY! what COLLEGE did they go to  to learn how to play so good???

   most religious music makes me wanna gag
  
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  Science still doesn't have the answers on how life first appeared

  by EndofMysteries in

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  since so many athiests in this thread, and since i'm going to college, i was curious if what i would learn in biology would change my thoughts and show that life clearly and easily spontaneously happened.

  just looking up the origins of dna or rna there is nothing conclusive.

  for example, scientists today are able to manipulate life.

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  we will not find the answers we will not live long enough someday someone will. but it should be enjoyable and open always for discussion and should never have any religious opposition, for many a 'faith' has been found to be untrue.

  those who do not follow religion prefer not to be labeled as atheists,I feel that word is sort of a prejudiced slur, maybe not all feel that way, but its viewed as a negative word, and those who do not believe in a God are not being negative, they just haven't been presented with enough evidence as science  and history has presented and have seen the damage religions have done t mankind. 

  maybe our creator Isnt a God, did you ever ponder that?
  
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  Did God establish His Covenant with the Gentile Nations or the Jews?

  by sowhatnow in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  im not sure where to post this but i think its telling.

  not long but read it closely i get a bit confused on the latter half.

  the question is did god establish his covenant with the gentile nations or the jews.. [though i have read from a jewish web source, that the jews have nothing to do with israel and the greek scriptures or half the hebrew scriptures ].

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  im not sure where to post this  but i think its telling

  not  long but read it closely i get a bit confused  on the latter half

  the question is did God establish his covenant with the gentile nations or the  Jews.. [though i have read  from a jewish web source, that the jews have nothing to do with Israel and the greek scriptures or half the Hebrew scriptures ]
  

  http://articles.faithwriters.com/reprint-article-details.php?article=13349

  the way i understand it it that no one other than  Israel  has a covenant with God and it is still in effect basically

  it is the gentiles who choose to join Israel and their covenant who are then taken into consideration. not those who stay apart from that nation. also there is no symbolism apparently, its to be taken literal. other than the obvious literary symbolism.
  
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  1 Timothy 5:8 - Providing for one's household....materially or spiritually?

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the searcher brought this scripture up on another thread:.

  (1 timothy 5:8) "certainly if anyone does not provide for those who are his own, and especially for those who are members of his household, he has disowned the faith and is worse than a person without faith.

  " [disowned jehovah].

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  Ive always hear it applied  as spiritual, personally I apply it to the physical, 

  however how is it read in the new international bible, see below.
  

  1 Timothy 5:8

  8 Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

  and what is the context,  i read parallel of this at bible gateway, the whole  chapter speaks of widows elders and slaves.... 

  [having slaves, was Never spoken of against in the bible.   as is the obvious attitude of unworthiness for the rights  and feelings of women is this still observed today? apparently in many cultures]
  

  it also points out in vs
  19 Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses.

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  the two and three witness rule is spoken of as only applying to the elders,[ so THATS why they can get away with child abuse.]
  

  king james version says at vs 11-12
  

  11 But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry;

  12 Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.. [gee was their 'first faith' their husbands law?'
  

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  women are damned if they wish to remarry. lol,   stupid ass men back then really ruined it  for themselves huh?
  

  [what the hell does wax wanton mean, lol!]  silly old book.

  Id say, clearly this is a book written for the chosen ones of Israel and did not apply to the gentile nations.