Posts by sowhatnow

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these books, want any? if not they go in the trash

by sowhatnow in

worldwide security under the prince of peacegods eternal purpose now triumphinglife does have a purpose babylon the great has fallen gods kingdom rulesyou can live forever on a paradise earththe secret to family happinessdid man get here by evolution of creationlet your kingdom comechoosing the best way of lifecommentary on the letter of jamesi have one of each.. the bible gods word or mansis the bible really the word of godsurvival into a new earthknowledge that leads to everlasting lifereasoningunited in worshipholy spirit the force behind the coming new orderthe two babylon'sparadise lost originalyou can live forever on a paradise earth first large print edition 1982 revelation book 1988 large print.

sowhatnow

dont know how to edit my post. i have pulled those books out of my pile and put those names on them

so read the posts.

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Annointed 144k only male?

by JerryTX in

i was told there was new light by a former jw.

i wanted to verify if it was true.

the new light claims the annointed class/144k is always male.

sowhatnow

I was always understanding that the scriptures clearly say[rev ch 7] the 144,000 are virgin males [in fact are[rev 14] ] and chosen, from the 12 tribes and already sealed. past tense.

how one can take a type or anti type approach [those two still confuse me] to a simple statement in the bible I have no idea. where is any indication that we are to assume that one part of a single scripture is to be literal and the other symbolic? and symbolic of what?

oh, its a literal[ number, even though it was not seen but only heard,] and yet its not literal that they were only males?

How anyone can assume they are chosen to be 'anointed' over the next person sitting next to them, is beyond my comprehension. where is the humility? you can be as pure as the snow all your life as a jw and not be 'chosen' yet some person comes in from 'the world', and claims they were given such a privilege? hmm.

according to the wt logic, women then can apparently be made heavenly creatures, and judges, but NOT qualified to teach in 'this' world? lol

Blondie you said:

'It may be new light but not with the jws. Anointed are male and female just as Christians were in the first century. Remember the holy spirit at Pentecost fell on all there, male and female.'

well read those chapters again

there are three completely separate events, that the watchtower has blended together for their own doctrinal teaching.

there were only the 12 apostles in the upper chamber that received the holy spirit, Jesus told them that back in ch 1.

I have never in my whole 45 years as a jw understood these events happening as the watchtower says it did. its simply not there.

[at no point in that society would it be acceptable for women to be lodging with men in some upper room, or drinking at that time of the morning. also the scripture says

the approximately] 120, were for the purpose of choosing a replacement for Judas.

it starts out by saying 'in those days' so this is simply an account, and is not the same time period at all.

[15 In those days Peter stood up among the believers (a group numbering about a hundred and twenty) 16 and said, “Brothers and sisters,[d] the Scripture had to be fulfilled in which the Holy Spirit spoke long ago through David concerning Judas, who served as guide for those who arrested Jesus. 17 He was one of our number and shared in our ministry.”]

in chapter one, Jesus here is eating and tells his apostles to stay in Jerusalem

acts 1

4 On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. 5 For John baptized with[a] water, but in a few days you will be baptized with[b] the Holy Spirit.”

he was only speaking to those with him.

also

6 Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”

7 He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

the only ones claimed to be witnesses of Jesus were those present.

[no mention of witnesses of jehovah there]

they asked if the kingdom was going to be restored to Israel.

this is the whole story of the bible. Israel and its kingdom . there is nothing there for we gentile nations. lol

in that society women were never given such a privilege, let alone be given a position such as that of an anointed judge.

what so many fail to realize is that when Jesus was eating and drinking with them after he had risen, it seems perfectly logical to me, that he had completed and brought to end his statement to them about 'do this as often as you do this, until I arrive...

well he arrived there in ch 1 of acts ate and drank with them for the 40 days. no more ''memorial for THEM to think about. it said as often as you drink of the cup, not meaning once a year.

[3 After his suffering, he presented himself to them and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God4 On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: ] surely he was also drinking with them.

I don't see why any ''memorial was done after that. the other celebrations were not the same thing.

he always gave instructions to his 12. never to any other groups in my understanding of scriptures.

its funny, jesus never spoke of the 144,000 did he?

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An experience of just how screwed over Wt has got them.

by joe134cd in

although i find this unsurprising, i think it worth mentioning as it demonstrates a point.

i know a brother in chile, and i wanted confirmation on the flag flying outside the kh in that country.

he said he was unaware of it.

sowhatnow

and there is is.

the fear of being lied to, so they deny it is a reality, they simply cant handle the truth

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these books, want any? if not they go in the trash

by sowhatnow in

worldwide security under the prince of peacegods eternal purpose now triumphinglife does have a purpose babylon the great has fallen gods kingdom rulesyou can live forever on a paradise earththe secret to family happinessdid man get here by evolution of creationlet your kingdom comechoosing the best way of lifecommentary on the letter of jamesi have one of each.. the bible gods word or mansis the bible really the word of godsurvival into a new earthknowledge that leads to everlasting lifereasoningunited in worshipholy spirit the force behind the coming new orderthe two babylon'sparadise lost originalyou can live forever on a paradise earth first large print edition 1982 revelation book 1988 large print.

sowhatnow

worldwide security under the prince of peace
Gods eternal purpose now triumphing
life does have a purpose
babylon the great has fallen Gods kingdom rules
you can
live forever on a paradise earth
the secret to family happiness
did man get here by evolution of creation
let your kingdom come
choosing the best way of life
commentary on the letter of james
i have one of each.

the bible gods word or mans
is the bible really the word of god
survival into a new earth
knowledge that leads to everlasting life
reasoning
united in worship
holy spirit the force behind the coming new order
the two Babylon's
paradise lost original
you can live forever on a paradise earth first large print edition 1982
revelation book 1988 large print

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New arrangement from C.O.

by Doctor Who in

i think most on here will be familiar with the caller hook up system that many congregations use.

visit about 2 months ago.

during our servant and elders meeting he was talking up the importance of meeting attendance and how we "gods spirit appointed men" must take the lead on making every meeting.

sowhatnow

oh well, so someone cant listen in, yay, they get a night of mental rest. for how many years did there not exist a phone tie in?? people simply read the meeting info at home, now all of the sudden its some forbidden fruit?

gosh who cares, its the SAME CRAP every week.

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what reaction have you received when you said 'that .org site is nothing more than tv evangelism' to a jw ?

by sowhatnow in

did they get it?

.

do they also not see that they are building 'temples'?

sowhatnow

did they get it?

do they also not see that they are building 'temples'?

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I listened. I obeyed. Then I realized...

by stillin in

what was that blessing part about?

i kept hearing pioneers talking about the blessings that they were receiving and as i looked at their lives objectively, there really isn't anything special about them.

maybe they are just more appreciative of things than other people.

sowhatnow

I wonder what blessing my mother would say shes been receiving from the org? lol,

I see none other than she still alive and able to drive, lol

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Did You Feel Bad For the JW Dishwasher-Cook Who Quit His Job (May JW Broadcasting)To Avoid Attending Later Meetings? He Pioneered on Welfare or Unemployment!

by RoyalFlushPhil in

did you watch the story about the jw who was working as a burger boy at some diner and his boss wanted him to work on sunday during the time of his meeting?

this faithful jw decided he could not attend a later meeting (6 pm sunday meeting) and soon quit his job(or got fired to attend his sunday meeting) so he could attend the sunday meeting he was assigned to.

i think he was on welfare because this story states he won't work on sunday morning because that's when his meeting is!

sowhatnow

where i live no one can quit a job and collect unemployment, or welfare.

you only collect unemployment if you are laid off from your employer, or quit due to unfair job practices, and file a case for unemployment. kids or not, you cannot get unemployment for quitting a job. it would have mae more sense for him or her to look for a new job first before quitting

welfare will not give you cash funds unless you are actively looking for employment and they want the proof , and you are required to take the first job offered to you regardless of hours, otherwise your 'benefits' are cut off, all of them, including food stamps.

you are also required to spend up to three days a week at 3 hours each, sitting in front of a computer applying for any and all jobs, repeating many, just to get these benefits they dont care where your kids are, if you don't have a sitter, you cant bring them to the welfare office, and you have to be there. you cant do it at home.

so guess how many people aren't on assistance? and how many kids are left home alone? lots.

. its not easy to get welfare in pa. you have to jump through flaming hoops, which is why so many go to food banks, because they do not quality for welfare benefits. they make it too hard.

besides not being a bible based requirement to be at meetings,

only a lazy fool, would quit a paying job, and get on assistance to waste gas driving around preaching and let themselves and their families have a bad reputation.

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Prayers, are you worthy to do them? [5/15/90 wt]

by sowhatnow in

for those who still pray, and go to the kingdom hall, when was the last article on prayer?

whats the view now?.

king solomon asked that jehovah hear only foreigners who prayed toward gods temple in jerusalem.

sowhatnow

For those who still pray, and go to the kingdom hall, when was the last article on prayer? whats the view now?

I always wondered, what was the original purpose for man to bow and pray to invisible things.

but no matter that i can find out, but here is what blew me away one day while doing random research.

a 1990 may 15 watchtower page 10 - 15,fear Jehovah the hearer of prayer] paragraph 9 says this:

to be heard by God a person must express prayerful sentiments that are in harmony with the divine will. yes he must be sincere, but more in required."without faith it is impossible to please [GOD] well, ....[hebrews 11 6]

then in par 10 it says:

aware that prayer is a restricted privilege, [italics mine] [so much for the other scriptures that say God is the hearer of praayer]

King Solomon asked that Jehovah hear only foreigners who prayed toward gods temple in Jerusalem.

now think about that...

of course the obvious contradiction is that its stated that prayer is restricted, then Solomon says hey God, let foreigners can pray as long as they pray to the temple direction, lol. gee what made them 'privileged'

my first thought was , this leaves all children who do not have the mental maturity, praying for no reason. and 3/4 of the world,lol.

and according to Solomon, anyone living outside the area of Jerusalem,[ that cant pray toward, the temple]

unable to gain Gods attention, lol.

[AND what right does Solomon have is asking GOD TO DO something? lol ]

paragraph 11 the last sentence [again contradicting the prior paragraph]

AND ONLY BAPTIZED BELIEVERS HAVE AN UNRESTRICTED PRIVILEGE OF APPROACHING THE KING ETERNAL IN PRAYER .

Wow. what a statement.

so to me the bible is representing only one religion, the ancient faith of Israel. this would be so obvious.

now ,

lets assume, the Bible is the word of God.

it is clear that God does not answer prayers, in my opinion. I am more convinced that prayers from the followers of all religions especially Islam, or other Muslim sorts of faiths, who focuses on these ritualistic prayer sessions, are in vanity. For half the world of people who do not follow religious practices are often no worse or better of , than those who do. everyone has the same eventuality. [what God would deserve to be worshiped who allowed such views and acts against women, the very one's who give life to man? happy mothers day indeed, lol]

I have heard the lame explanation form my jw mom, that God answers prayers he feels should be answered because we don't know the outcome of the situation, and God sees things we do not.

well then, that means God CAN see into the future. and he chooses to let people suffer. hmm. and then no one ever knows if they have a reason to pray. if we dont pray were no worse off.

my mother says, " Ill pray for my kids that they find their way to God"[ie the JW god]

and yet all three of us are not at all interested. after 40 years of my own jw experiences I find it logical to leave.

so one day, when she said Ill pray for you,

I asked, Mom is God answering your prayers? apparently he is not.

she then says ' satan has got into your hearts"

Then I said

'well that makes Satan stronger than God, right? why cant God influence us to the good then? and answer your prayers, are you not worthy of him?"

[gee, after all she "s privileged to pray shes a baptized jw of over 50 years] and so were many of us here once.

[shes been saying that sort of thing as long as ive been alive." Ill pray for you to find what your looking for".] "what about all those innocent children in the world who do not know of god who are sick, starving, or being made slaves, and God does nothing to show them he exists? wouldn't that be a good way for God to gain faithful followers?

subject changes...

To me, this is the cement proof a god does not exist.

if the belief now is God his the hearer of prayer, what is he holding back for?

If God did indeed answer the unselfish prayers of everyone who prayed to him, would that not give us the proof and opportunity to see how real he/she is ?

Now I know the bible has in it a few scriptures that tell us we should not be seeking a sign, however I seriously doubt that this is talking about prayer, there is no proof of it.

so of those who have had previous faith in prayers, have your prayers in reality proven to be of value other than to make yourself feel better? do you pray, ' just in case' God is real and is judging you? as if he wouldn't perceive that anyway? after all hes a reader of hearts, lol

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Who are the people in JW TV videos?

by HappyDad in

jw
friends

out of curiosity, i have caught a glimpse or two of the "drama" style videos.

are the ones in these televised "dramas" jw's or did they hire actors for the job?

i can't see the average jw being able to do acting as good (if you will call it good) as some of these people.

sowhatnow

you think they are good actors? its funny to watch in my opinion. too fake over acted. i never could watch those, and hated the dramas even when i was little. guess i dont like live theater.