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  Crisis of Conscience - The Movie

  by cedars in

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  i know... how cool would that be??!.

  having just commented on the post by trailerfitter about the situation with his wife, and how i have personally found the book crisis of conscience by ray franz to be the perfect antidote to the society's perception of itself as being god's earthly organisation, the thought occurred to me: what if there was a movie about ray franz and his life?

  obviously the society would be in uproar, and letters would be read out to all congregations all over the world not to go and see it, but just imagine!

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  kairos

  Now that the WTS HQ and other buildings are sold off or pending, the movie producer could get permission to shoot the film 'on location'.
  
  Total burn...
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  Pyramid Schemes

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  several years ago, i was introduced to a "wonderful" company called fortune hi tech marketing by a brother and his wife.

  they had been introduced by a former sheriff who claims he had researched the company and found no leins or judgments, and that former sheriff had been brought in by a pastor.

  you can read what happened with fhtm on wikipedia if you so desire.. this whole new idea of multilevel marketing had my brain reeling, though, and soon enough, i actually signed up with none other than prepaid legal.

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  kairos

  The more I think back, the more I remember JWs engaging in dishonest business practices left and right.

  Their hypocrisy is one of the biggest issues that contributed to my awakening.
  My 25 years in Napa with JWs was 25 years of observing MANY elders break the law and pretend nobody saw.
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  Pyramid Schemes

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  several years ago, i was introduced to a "wonderful" company called fortune hi tech marketing by a brother and his wife.

  they had been introduced by a former sheriff who claims he had researched the company and found no leins or judgments, and that former sheriff had been brought in by a pastor.

  you can read what happened with fhtm on wikipedia if you so desire.. this whole new idea of multilevel marketing had my brain reeling, though, and soon enough, i actually signed up with none other than prepaid legal.

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  kairos

  I've been in service with the sister you mention in the OP regarding the Nor Cal ponzi scheme. ( Napa )

  The story got some coverage and just 'went away'.
  

  I always wondered what happened.
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  So the Elders want to get together, and I kinda want to.

  by Darkknight757 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so the wife and i were uninvited to another jw get together which we didn't want to go to anyways.

  finally we find out that something on my facebook account is getting some people's in my old halls undies in a bunch.

  so i was thinking of meeting with them to at least clear my wife's name and give them some much needed hell.

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  kairos

  You may want to quote the Feb 2017 WT, regarding the new light on the GB...
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  "The G.B. is neither inspired nor infallible"

  by smiddy in

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  2. beliefs

  that admission in the feb.17 ,study edition of the watchtower , " who is leading gods people today ?

  " "the governing body is neither inspired, nor infallible, therefore it (they/we) can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction .".

  have the many jehovahs witnesses past and present who have lost their lives by refusing blood transfusions due to the prohibition on blood tranfusions by jehovahs witnesses really got the sense of this statement ?.

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  kairos

  Take a look at page 215 in the 'Organized to do Jehovah's Will' book.

  The Questions for baptism are found there:

  On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?
  Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witness in association with God's spirit-directed organization?

  So basically, we dedicated ourselves to the organisation that makes things up as needed for financial self preservation...

  If it was truly 'spirit-directed', there would be no mistakes or corrections needed. 'New Light' proves there was no direction. Their most recent admission proves they cannot be trusted.
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  Question: Can't You Just Ignore A Judicial Committee?

  by Sorry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one thing i've never understood is judicial committees.

  yes, i understand it's held to see if elders should go through with the disfellowshipping process.

  but why give them all the power?

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  kairos

  Ignore them or DA, take your pick.

  Getting out is the key.
  A better life shortly follows.
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  The physical effects of Cognitive Dissonance

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  most of us here have gone through, or are going through the various stages "cognitive dissonance".. this is a term used to describe a situation where our minds, and hearts just know that something is "not quite right", and therefore we find ourselves in a muddle trying to reconcile the things we know with the things we are hearing or being told.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/cognitive_dissonance.

  so just wondering, how many of you found yourselves (or still find yourselves) becoming phyiscally ill in some way during the time of fading?.

  i know that when i look back, for several years even before i was awake to the many issues and facts about the society, i would feel ill at assemblies or conventions.

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  kairos

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/288927/im-living-nausea

  I still feel the effects.
  Getting physically ill over the injustices in the WT are hard to bear.
  My wife loves the ORG.
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  Memorial observance screwery.

  by Darkknight757 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  had a thought about the memorial observance that is held at the kingdumb hall every year.

  there are a few youtube videos of people partaking of the bread and the wine and then making some grand speech before being escorted off the premises.

  instead of that, has anyone tried getting a group of buddies together and when receiving the bread or the wine, just eat or drink it all?

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  kairos

  I can think of all kinds of amazing things to do to unsuspecting JWs.
  I always come back to, 'why'?

  It's a wasting of time, the way I see it.
  

  Think back to how you would have reacted.
  I'd seen and heard many apostates before I'd awoken to TTATT.
  It had ZERO effect.

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  Not to say I won't do 'something' one day
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  November 1, 2016 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS Re: Using and Maintaining Kingdom Halls

  by wifibandit in

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  november 1, 2016 to all bodies of elders re: using and maintaining kingdom halls.

  table of contents.

  ownership .........................................................................................pars.

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  kairos

  It's all fun and games until a still-in apostate starts broadcasting their own WI-FI hotspot from KH property.

  Which connection to choose,

  "JWs are a cult"
  "learn TTATT"
  "JWfacts.com"

  etc,
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  How do you prove the watchtower organisation is not genuine using recent evidence?

  by punkofnice in

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  2. beliefs

  when i was a jobo, i would say that anything in jobo history, eg.

  miracle wheat, beth sarim et al (old light), wasn't worth considering as evidence that the wbt$ was a weirdo cult.. i think that's probably the jobo mindset now.. what would you show them from very recent lies teachings to encourage them to consider the possibility the wbt$ is a scam?.

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  kairos

  The Tony Morris 'tight pants' branch visit talk was pretty special...