Posts by lurkernomore

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Strange concepts

by lurkernomore in

i don't know why this popped in my head earlier today but here goes:.

satan apparently blinds the eyes of un-believers towards the 'truth'.

this point has been discussed both at meetings and during discussions with others in the congregation over the years.

lurkernomore

I missed that thread. Makes for interesting reading Apog

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Strange concepts

by lurkernomore in

i don't know why this popped in my head earlier today but here goes:.

satan apparently blinds the eyes of un-believers towards the 'truth'.

this point has been discussed both at meetings and during discussions with others in the congregation over the years.

But surely an individual's traits as a human being are more often than not determined by the environment their brought up in. No one has choice in the matter of being born therefore negative influences which one is exposed to has to have an affect on the way they behave and view situations in life, whether this means being susceptible to wanting more riches due to a poor upbringing or settling disputes with their fists rather than their tongue.

It seems that the witness concept is basically putting the blame on the individual then as they are the ones allowing Satan to influence them further in their selfish or wrong inclinations. That would then make Satan seem more of a side line player if anything.

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Strange concepts

by lurkernomore in

i don't know why this popped in my head earlier today but here goes:.

satan apparently blinds the eyes of un-believers towards the 'truth'.

this point has been discussed both at meetings and during discussions with others in the congregation over the years.

lurkernomore

I don't know why this popped in my head earlier today but here goes:

Satan apparently blinds the eyes of un-believers towards the 'truth'. This point has been discussed both at meetings and during discussions with others in the congregation over the years.

But Jehovah is said to seek out deserving ones, by reading their heart condition etc.

If Satan (an arguably far superior being to Humans) is capable of blinding un-believers, and Jehovah allows this to happen, then surely that would absolve them of their sinful actions and the destruction of everyone but Witnesses would be a false claim. Aswell as this it would make the need to seek out 'deserving ones' redundant as that's surely what the ransom sacrifice was there for.

Any thoughts on this or any other concepts that don't really add up to you lovely people?!

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Hello

by lurkernomore in

i thought it was high time to introduce myself (without my name of course).

as my name would suggest i have been reading your intriguing post, thoughts and discussions for some time now.

around 3/4 months to be exact.. i guess to start with it would seem fitting to give a little background on my current situation.. i'm a born-in, but have over the last few years found that through a number of varying occurences, (some of which i may discuss in future posts) that my 'zeal' has gone from regular field service and meetings to no service in over a year and very sporadic meeting attendance.

lurkernomore

Hi ABS, as I mentioned in earlier posts my wife has always had issues with a lot of things the society does and teaches. This was mainly down to experiences she had whilst growing up both with her family and others in the congregation she's originally from.

There was a time when I would try to help her 'see sense' lol, and that individuals are imperfect yadda yadda yadda. Makes me feel a bit embarrassed to think I ever stuck up for it all.

Most of her immediate family are out now too so that makes things easier for us both now and in the future too hopefully.

If you take a quick look at my previous post it explains a little more about it. Basically I'm quite lucky compared to most experiences I've read on here.

In my case most my immediate family locally are still very much in apart from my ageing grandad who's I his late 80's now.

I'll post some more in depth details about myself in the coming days. I've almost run out of posts for today, didn't even realise there was a limit till a couple hours ago... oops.

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Hello

by lurkernomore in

i thought it was high time to introduce myself (without my name of course).

as my name would suggest i have been reading your intriguing post, thoughts and discussions for some time now.

around 3/4 months to be exact.. i guess to start with it would seem fitting to give a little background on my current situation.. i'm a born-in, but have over the last few years found that through a number of varying occurences, (some of which i may discuss in future posts) that my 'zeal' has gone from regular field service and meetings to no service in over a year and very sporadic meeting attendance.

lurkernomore

Thanks again for all your kind words.

I suppose lucky for me I've managed to come to this realisation at a fairly early age, but then again I won't be getting back the years I lost.

I really feel for those who lived through the hype of the 70s only to be disappointed again with the generation teaching. I was old enough and remember well going through the revelation book and discussing the overlapping generation teaching, but never really connected it with the end as even our book study overseer couldn't really get his head around it properly.

Thinking about it I haven't really heard much about the generation for quite some time, just constant: ' The end is soon close now'! mainly from my mother :)

Funny how witnesses are still buying/planning on buying houses and expanding their businesses, accumulating considerable wealth. No need for any if that if it's just around the corner!

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hello everyone

by purrpurr in

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i've been browsing the site for some time as things that the society teach just are not adding up much these days.

by exploring some of the threads on here i'm starting to see why.

a brief bio.

lurkernomore

Hi Purr, I only started posting on here today aswell!!!!

It's really quite amazing how quickly the shroud is removed once you start looking at sources of information other than the publications of the WTBTS.

It seems a lot of people are having the same issues with things that are taught as fact today only to be discarded as apostate tomorrow!

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Hello

by lurkernomore in

i thought it was high time to introduce myself (without my name of course).

as my name would suggest i have been reading your intriguing post, thoughts and discussions for some time now.

around 3/4 months to be exact.. i guess to start with it would seem fitting to give a little background on my current situation.. i'm a born-in, but have over the last few years found that through a number of varying occurences, (some of which i may discuss in future posts) that my 'zeal' has gone from regular field service and meetings to no service in over a year and very sporadic meeting attendance.

lurkernomore

Hey opus yeah i do. To be honest i've been reading so much over the past few months there's very little i have'nt read or taken in. As it stands it's only personal experiences that shock/disgust me now.

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Hello

by lurkernomore in

i thought it was high time to introduce myself (without my name of course).

as my name would suggest i have been reading your intriguing post, thoughts and discussions for some time now.

around 3/4 months to be exact.. i guess to start with it would seem fitting to give a little background on my current situation.. i'm a born-in, but have over the last few years found that through a number of varying occurences, (some of which i may discuss in future posts) that my 'zeal' has gone from regular field service and meetings to no service in over a year and very sporadic meeting attendance.

lurkernomore

Hey Captain, that is a moral duty i'm more than happy to fulfill, although I think you'll be dissappointed in how this was achieved. I will try to as detailed as possible without giving myself away

My wife has always had doubts and been somewhat lethargic in all aspects of the 'truth'. We have been married a number of years and this has pretty much been an issue throughout. So for this reason alone, discussing what i found out about the UN NGO involvement was no biggy. From then on, from my end at least the ball was well and truly rolling and i discussed further damning evidence i found along the way.

It's also good to note that her remaining JW family have also all but left the 'truth' due to researching TTATT after persnal issues in their congregations. So all in all it has been a bit of an easy ride for me with regards to my wife.

The only snag is to decide on how we decide to 'move ahead' and quickly to do so. At least our less than active involvement has already allowed us to cut off considerably, without any questions from prying eyes.

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Hello

by lurkernomore in

i thought it was high time to introduce myself (without my name of course).

as my name would suggest i have been reading your intriguing post, thoughts and discussions for some time now.

around 3/4 months to be exact.. i guess to start with it would seem fitting to give a little background on my current situation.. i'm a born-in, but have over the last few years found that through a number of varying occurences, (some of which i may discuss in future posts) that my 'zeal' has gone from regular field service and meetings to no service in over a year and very sporadic meeting attendance.

lurkernomore

Thanks for the link Bigmac. I have no intentions of turning back Kate, but as with a lot of people on this forum it may just take a while to get to where we want to be!

We are in a fairly rural area and i know a lot of Witnesses in neighbouring congregations as is the case with cities too i guess.

What makes it easier is that i have found over the last few years our hall has become even more clicky than before. Social events have practically disappeared apart form the odd BBQ when the suns out. There are no Congregation gatherings at all, which is surprising for a congregation with publishers in the 3 digits.

Luckily i'm not employed or work with any other witnesses. At this moment in time it is just a little difficult trying to decide what direction to take ourselves from here onwards in terms of work, whether in the long term we'll continue to live where we do etc.

Having read the forums on JW.net and other sites like JWFacts aswell as other sources of information I see the future as more exciting rather than daunting. Only time will tell I guess.

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Hello

by lurkernomore in

i thought it was high time to introduce myself (without my name of course).

as my name would suggest i have been reading your intriguing post, thoughts and discussions for some time now.

around 3/4 months to be exact.. i guess to start with it would seem fitting to give a little background on my current situation.. i'm a born-in, but have over the last few years found that through a number of varying occurences, (some of which i may discuss in future posts) that my 'zeal' has gone from regular field service and meetings to no service in over a year and very sporadic meeting attendance.

lurkernomore

Hi bigmac,

I'm in the UK. I won't get any more specific than this for the time being as i'm sure you can appreciate. ;)