Posts by purrpurr

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How many child molesters do you personally know of in the J.W's?

by karter in

were are they now and what position are they in.. lets do a running count.. c.o.b.e was interfering with his daughter,d.f,reinstated died in good standing.. branch oveersear multiple young children d.f,reinstated in good standing.. publisher interfeared with small child in the k.h d.f not sure were he is.. publisher sexually abused 3 relatives no action taken in good standing.. current elder raped his sister years ago little action taken was not an elder at the time.. publisher sexualy abused young girl d.f,reinstater now in good standing.. m.s multiple young girls d.f,died trying to get reinstated.. so thats 7.. karter..

purrpurr

I know of two, one a pioneer who abused a girl for years, when she exposed him as a teenager the elders df'd him AND HER! Not reported to the police the abuser got reinstated and moved area, joined another congregation where he abused another girl, the girls father beat him up when he discovered it and the elders df'd THE FATHER! The abuser was last heard of having married a woman with a teenager (shudder)

Another was a father who abused sexually his two daughters and beat up his wife. When his wife ran with her daughters and was taken in by a kindly jw family the elders counseled that family and told the wife to go back to her husband! She dutifully did and the abuse continued, the wife went to the police and they arrested the husband and charged him. He went to prison but the elders did their own JC on the husband and decided that the testimony of the two daughters counted as one witness only, and therefore decided that the husband was innocent they even went to The police with their decision! Not that the police took any notice! The wife and daughters were then shunned in the congregation for making false accusations against the husband and having him sent to prison (!) They were even pressured to make a statement in court saying that they forgave him, they refused but it was the elders hope that it would reduce the sentence of the husband if they had!...... years later when the husband was released the elders welcomed him back... into the same congregation as his family! And soon he was back as an elder!

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Questions for elders to think about in child abuse cases

by purrpurr in

again from the shepard the flock book, this is about dealing with child abuse, it gives the elders points to think about and discuss when deciding on child abuse cases.... "(5) what is the.

body believe that he can be trusted with children?

the following questions should be answered with re-.

purrpurr

Again from the Shepard the flock book, this is about dealing with child abuse, it gives the elders points to think about and discuss when deciding on child abuse cases...

"(5) What is the

level of his spirituality? (6) Do all the elders on the

body believe that he can be trusted with children? The following questions should be answered with re-

gard to the accuser: (1) What is the level of maturity

of the child or youth? (2) Is he (or she) describing

conduct that one his age would not normally know

about? (3) Is the child or his parents known to be se-

rious, mature? (4) Is his memory consistent, or is it

intermittent, or does it involve repressed memories?

(w95 11/1 pp. 25-26) (5) What is the reputation of

the parents? (6) Are they spiritually and emotionally

mature?"

What does the "spirituality" of a child have to do with whether they can be believed? What does their "maturity" or "seriousness " have to do with anything? What does the reputation or spiritually of the parents have any bearing on what happened to the child??

This basically means that a young child from a family not in favour with the elders would not be be lived. And an abuser who is in favour with the elders would be believed!

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The JC won't tell the wife about her husband's adultery

by purrpurr in

still reading the shepard the flock book and came across this gem (!)....

"13. if the husband committed adultery, he.

judicial committee should promptly inquire of the.

purrpurr

Still reading the Shepard the flock book and came across this gem (!)...

"13. If the husband committed adultery, he

has an obligation to inform his wife of the facts. The

judicial committee should promptly inquire of the

Christian wife as to what her husband has told her. If

he refuses to inform her of his adultery, the elders

should inform her that because of her husband’s

conduct, it is up to her to decide whether to pursue a

Scriptural divorce or not. Furthermore, they should

inform the innocent mate that her resuming sexu-

al relations with the guilty mate would negate any

claim to Scriptural freedom. But they should not give

her further details. On the other hand, the elders

may find that while the husband did confess adultery

to his wife, he did not tell her the full extent of his

wrong conduct and left out important information

that the wife should know. The elders should not pro-

vide this confidential information to the wife, but

they can suggest that she speak with her husband

again. Even if he does not tell her anything more, this

will alert her to the fact that he is withholding infor-

mation from her, and this may help her to determine

whether to forgive or not.

... so the wife doesn't have to be told! But the elders can hint if they want big deal!

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Direction to elders on handling rape

by purrpurr in

from the shepard the flock book.

"discernment is needed in considering claims.

of rape, taking into consideration such factors as the.

purrpurr

From the Shepard the flock book.

"Discernment is needed in considering claims

of rape, taking into consideration such factors as the

mental disposition of the person, the circumstanc-

es that led up to the incident, and any delay in reporting"

Chapter 5 page 59

What exactly are they implying here? are they implying that someone who has mental health problems might make up rape? That someone could incite rape by their dress etc? And what's this about delay in reporting? what on earth does that have to do with anything??!

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Direction to elders on handling rape

by purrpurr in

from the shepard the flock book.... "discernment is needed in considering claims.

of rape, taking into consideration such factors as the.

mental disposition of the person, the circumstanc-.

purrpurr

From the Shepard the flock book...

"Discernment is needed in considering claims

of rape, taking into consideration such factors as the

mental disposition of the person, the circumstanc-

es that led up to the incident, and any delay in reporting "

Chapter 5 psge 59

What exactly are they implying here? That someone with mental health problems might make up claims of rape? That they may have incited it by their dress etc? And what's this about delay in reporting? What on earth does that have to do with anything??!

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No new releases? How are the r&f taking this?

by purrpurr in

jw
friends

is it true that there's been no new releases at this summer's convention?

if so it will be the first convention in decades perhaps ever to not produce at least a new tract.. how are the r&f explaining this to eachother?

surely they must have noticed the absence?

purrpurr

Is it true that there's been no new releases at this summer's convention? If so it will be the first convention in decades perhaps ever to not produce at least a new tract.

How are the r&f explaining this to eachother? Surely they must have noticed the absence?

Of course we know the answer is likely to be that they can't afford the printing bill or maybe they've finally run out of new things to say?

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How could I get a copy of the elders secret book?

by purrpurr in

the shepherding the flock one?

i'd love to read it and get the inside track of how the elders are meant to work.

anyone got a pdf?

purrpurr

The shepherding the flock one? I'd love to read it and get the inside track of how the elders are meant to work.

Anyone got a PDF?

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Cotton wool jws

by purrpurr in

there was a talk i heard recently given by a top bethel bro, he was complaining that the type of young jws that have been joining bethel in recent years has been totally unfit for work or even life.

he called them "cotton wool jws" as he says that the parents of these young ones have kept them so sheltered from life that by the time they are of age to strike out on their own they are completely unable to cope socially, emotionally, mentally and that they have no practical life's skills or instincts of common sense or responsibility.

he said that the brothers at bethel have to work at peeling off the layers of cotton wool these ones have come wrapped in and that often when exposed to the reality of life away from mummy they quite literally go running back home.. for once i actually agree with a brother on the platform, i've met many a young teen or young adult whose life has been one long warm bath as it were.

purrpurr

Yes I've met brothers in their 40s who are of this type, although I think they were the first generation like it. Simpering empty headed mummies boys who were incapable of forming an independent thought or opinion. In their family and congregation they were praised for being "respectful and sheep like" but in the real world utterly unable to function. Most of them ended up working for the family business or some such jw owned business. When they did have an experience were a worldly person wanted them to behave like a normal adult they always freaked out and went running back to mummy who of course soothed them and told them that it was all the fault of the bad worldly person!

I agree, several lifetimes of repression, isolation and warped ideals have created this issue. The WT have brought it on themselves, they are reaping their reward in full!

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Cotton wool jws

by purrpurr in

there was a talk i heard recently given by a top bethel bro, he was complaining that the type of young jws that have been joining bethel in recent years has been totally unfit for work or even life.

he called them "cotton wool jws" as he says that the parents of these young ones have kept them so sheltered from life that by the time they are of age to strike out on their own they are completely unable to cope socially, emotionally, mentally and that they have no practical life's skills or instincts of common sense or responsibility.

he said that the brothers at bethel have to work at peeling off the layers of cotton wool these ones have come wrapped in and that often when exposed to the reality of life away from mummy they quite literally go running back home.. for once i actually agree with a brother on the platform, i've met many a young teen or young adult whose life has been one long warm bath as it were.

purrpurr

There was a talk I heard recently given by a top bethel bro, he was complaining that the type of young jws that have been joining bethel in recent years has been totally unfit for work or even life. He called them "cotton wool jws" as he says that the parents of these young ones have kept them so sheltered from life that by the time they are of age to strike out on their own they are completely unable to cope socially, emotionally, mentally and that they have No practical life's skills or instincts of common sense or responsibility. He said that the brothers at bethel have to work at peeling off the layers of cotton wool these ones have come wrapped in and that often when exposed to the reality of life away from mummy they quite literally go running back home.

For once I actually agree with a brother on the platform, I've met many a young teen or young adult whose life has been one long warm bath as it were. They have no knowledge of life outside the congregation and their own home.they can't cope with instructions, criticism or responsibilities. I'm sure their parents think they've done a wonderful job at protecting their child from the world. But in reality the poor child gets plucked out of that warm bath and thrown into a freezing sea and somehow expected to thrive!

Have you encountered this? It seems to be a theme of the last decade that is getting worse.

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Behaviour in bethel are they like the jw dramas?

by purrpurr in

jw
friends

what i mean is, i've discussed recently how odd the behaviour of jws is on the drama films that they show at the conventions.

i'm wondering is the reason why it's so odd because that how's the jws at bethel talk and act in real life?

is the behaviour at bethel so warped from the outside world that they actually think that their behaviour is normal?.

purrpurr

What I mean is, I've discussed recently how odd the behaviour of jws is on the drama films that they show at the conventions. I'm wondering is the reason why it's so odd because that how's the jws at bethel talk and act in real life? Is the behaviour at bethel so warped from the outside world that they actually think that their behaviour is normal?