Fred,
I don't exactly know what farting has to do with the discussion. Perhaps if you had a better handle on the English language and were a little (no, make that a lot) more articulate I would be able to understand what you are trying to say. Also, I did not say that I believe in evolution. (I think that's what you were trying to refer to in your "crap" comment) I was simply throwing an idea out there and pointing out that it is truly the mark of a brainless twit to discount theories and ideas because of emotion instead of weighing the arguments for and against them.
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88If evolution is true ?
by D wiltshire inif evolution is true and god doesnt exist, and all matter always existed, and life keeps adapting and getting more and more advanced, conquering all problems set before its existence.. then life should have already filled the entire universe and advanced to the point of never dying.. am i being presumptuous?.
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if someone lived a trillion x longer than you, and had a billion x more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?.
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If evolution is true ?
by D wiltshire inif evolution is true and god doesnt exist, and all matter always existed, and life keeps adapting and getting more and more advanced, conquering all problems set before its existence.. then life should have already filled the entire universe and advanced to the point of never dying.. am i being presumptuous?.
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if someone lived a trillion x longer than you, and had a billion x more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?.
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D,
Ineresting question. To me the answer would seem a matter of timing. On this planet, we are only as far as we are because we are realiatively new to existance. Perhaps on another planet long long ago, another life form started and has began populating it's little corner of the cosmos but just hasn't spread out enough to reach us yet. Perhaps, even longer ago, yet another life form came to be and has advanced to the point of not dying and can transverse the immense reaches of space and has amazing powers. Perhaps individuals of this race/species are labeled "GOD" by civilizations too new to understand the level of their advancement.Fred,
Denying un-proven but widespread and heavily supported theories out of hand simply because they do not fit your personal belief system is a Ding-Dong act. -
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I've gone skydiving, spelunking, rapelling, backpacking. I was always more scared of getting seriously injured than of dying. Sitting here in my air conditioned office building, I am more scared of growing old and feeble than of dying. Like Jim Morrison said: "No one get's out of here alive."
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Best costume worn or seen
by Adam intaking a pole here.
what's the best costume you have ever worn or seen on someone else?
to get it started here are a couple from my own past:.
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Taking a pole here. What's the best costume you have ever worn or seen on someone else? To get it started here are a couple from my own past:
In first grade my parents thought it would be great if I went as Little Orphan Annie. I wore tights, buckeled shoes, a wig and a dress. FIRST GRADE! First place too so I won't hold it against them.
One year when my mom was single she put on a full body, flesh colored leotard and a 4 foot blond wig. Nothing else. She was Lady Godiva.
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Jehovah is sifting the organization
by YoYoMama injehovah keeps sifting and cleanning out the organization.
this board is proof of that sifting work.
congratulations on being cleansed out of jehovah's organization because of your inmoral and prideful lives.
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You're right YoYo. It is time once again for the JW organization to do some sifting. They have a track record of this sifing activity. Every time they predict the end within 5 or 10 years, all the older people sell their homes and forgo education or employment opportunities because they've been told the end is right around the corner. Then the end doesen't come. Then they get sifted out and told that it was their fault for expecting the end. Once all those with a memory long enough to remember the event leave or are pushed out with the guilt, a fresh new batch of innocents is brainwashed to believe the same damn thing all over again. The whole 1914 issue is coming to a head, time for some sifting hu YoYo?
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Faith
by Adam inhe can do what ever he wants and what he wants is to give you a million dollars, but he can't until you kiss his ass.
john: well no, you don't actually get the money until you leave town.
mary: it's what hank wants; and hank is always right.
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This tid bit was posted on another site. I thought some here may enjoy reading it:
This morning there was a knock at my door. When I answered the door I found a well groomed, nicely dressed couple. The man spoke first: "Hi! I'm John, and this is Mary."
MARY: Hi! We're here to invite you to come kiss Hank's ass with us.ME: Pardon me? What are you talking about? Who is Hank, and why would I want to kiss his ass?
JOHN: If you kiss Hank's ass, he will give you a million dollars; and if you don't, he will kick the shit out of you.
ME: What? Is this some sort of bizarre mob shake-down?
JOHN: Hank is a billionaire philanthropist. Hank built this town. Hank owns this town. He can do what ever he wants and what he wants is to give you a million dollars, but he can't until you kiss his ass.
ME: That doesn't make any sense. Why...
MARY: Who are you to question Hank's gift? Don't you want a million dollars? Isn't it worth a little kiss on the ass?
ME: Well maybe, if it is legit, but...
JOHN: Then come kiss Hank's ass with us.
ME: Do you kiss Hank's ass often?
MARY: Oh yes, all the time...
ME: And has he given you a million dollars?
JOHN: Well no, you don't actually get the money until you leave town.
ME: So why don't you just leave town now?
MARY: You can't leave until Hank tells you to or you don't get the money; and he kicks the shit out of you.
ME: Do you know anyone who kissed Hank's ass, left town, and got the million dollars?
JOHN: My mother kissed Hank's ass for years. She left town last year and I'm sure she got the money.
ME: Haven't you talked to her since then?
JOHN: Of course not, Hank doesn't allow it.
ME: So what makes you think he will actually give you the money if you have never talked to anyone who got the money?
MARY: Well, he gives you a little bit before you leave. Maybe you will get a raise; maybe you will win a small lotto; maybe you will just find a twenty dollar bill on the street.
ME: What does that got to do with Hank?
JOHN: Hank has certain...connections.
ME: I'm sorry but this sounds like some sort of bizarre con game.
JOHN: But it IS a million dollars. Can you really take the chance? And remember, if you DON'T kiss Hank's ass he will kick the shit out of you.
ME: Maybe if I could see Hank; talk to him; get the details straight from him...
MARY: No one sees Hank. No one talks to Hank.
ME: Then how do you kiss his ass?
JOHN: Sometimes we just blow him a kiss and think of his ass. Other times we kiss Karl's ass, and he passes it on.
ME: Who is Karl?
MARY: A friend of ours. He's the one who taught us all about kissing Hank's ass. All we had to do was take him out to dinner a few times.
ME: And you just took his word for it when he said there was a Hank, that Hank wanted you to kiss his ass, and that Hank would reward you?
JOHN: Oh no! Karl has got a letter Hank sent him years ago explaining the whole thing. Here ia a copy; see for yourself.
John handed me a photocopy of a handwritten memo on - From the desk of Karl - letterhead. There were eleven items listed:
1.) Kiss Hank's ass and he will give you a million dollars when you leave town.
2.) Use alcohol in moderation.
3.) Kick the shit out of people who are not like you.
4.) Eat right.
5.) Hank dictated this list himself.
6.) The moon is made of green cheese.
7.) Everything Hank says is right.
8.) Wash your hands after going to the bathroom.
9.) Do not drink.
10.) Eat your wieners on buns, no condiments.
11.) Kiss Hank's ass or he will kick the shit out of you.ME: This would appear to be written on Karl's Letterhead.
MARY: Hank did not have any paper.
ME: I have a hunch that if we checked we would find this is Karl's handwriting.
JOHN: Of course, Hank dictated it.
ME: I thought you said no one gets to see Hank?
MARY: Not now; but years ago he would talk to some people.
ME: I thought you said he was a philanthropist. What sort of philanthropist kicks the shit out of people just because they are different?
MARY: It's what Hank wants; and Hank is always right.
ME: How do you figure that?
MARY: Item 7 says - Everything Hanks says is right.- That's good enough for me!
ME: Maybe your friend Karl just made the whole thing up.
JOHN: No way! Item 5 says, "Hank dictated this list himself." Besides, item 2 says, "Use alcohol in moderation." Item 4 says, "Eat right." And item 8 says, "Wash your hands after going to the bathroom." Everyone knows *those* things are right; so the rest must be true, too.
ME: But 9 says, "Do not Drink," which does not quite go with item 2. And 6 says, "The moon is made of green cheese," which is just plain wrong.
JOHN: There is no contradiction between 9 and 2. 9 just clarifies 2. As far as 6 goes, you have never been to the moon; so you cannot say for sure.
ME: Scientists have pretty firmly established that the moon is made of rock...
MARY: But they do not know if the rock came from the Earth, or from out of space, so it could just as easily be green cheese.
Me: I am not really an expert but I think the theory that the Moon came from the Earth has been discounted. Besides, not knowing *where* the rock came from doesn't mean it *could* be green cheese rather than rock.
JOHN: Aha! You just admitted that scientists make mistakes, but we know Hank is always right!
ME: We do?
MARY: Of course we do, Item 5 says so.
ME: So, you're saying that Hank is always right because the list says so; the list is right because Hank dictated it; and we know that Hank dictated it because the list says so.
JOHN: Now you're getting it! It's so rewarding to see someone come around to Hank's way of thinking.
ME: But...Oh, never mind. What's the deal with the wieners?
Mary blushes.
JOHN: Wieners: in buns, no condiments. It's Hank's way. Anything else is wrong.
ME: What if I don't have a bun?
JOHN: No bun, no wiener. A wiener without a bun is wrong.
ME: No relish? No Mustard?
Mary looks positively stricken.
JOHN (shouting): There's no need for such language! Condiments of any kind are wrong!
ME: So a big pile of sauerkraut with some wieners chopped up in it would be out of the question?
MARY (sticking her fingers in her ears): I am not listening to this! La la la, la la, la la la.....
JOHN: That is disgusting. Only some sort of evil deviant would eat that...
ME: But it is good! I eat it all the time.
Mary faints. John catches her
JOHN: Well, if I had known you were one of THOSE, I wouldn't have wasted my time. When Hank kicks the shit out of you, I want to be there.
John drags Mary to their waiting car and speeds off.
I go inside pondering about how some people would believe anything...
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Logic of God escapes me
by Amazing inin past posts i have placed god on trial by questioning two issues: 1) the issues in the graden of eden, and the severe punishment of the entire human race for a very minor act of eating fruit.
2) god ordering the extermination of entire cities, including every last man, woman, child, baby, and even livestock.. results: the result on this forum have be mixed as expected, but showed a range from suport to tryuionmg top explain these events with reasoning, logic, or plausibilities.
some felt that i might be losing my faith.
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It's interesting when you look at the difference in how the Bible has been read and understood over the years. Many many years ago, there was no doubt that when Genesis spoke of Adam and Eve, of the Creation and of the Flood, it was speaking of literal events. There was a time when the literal translation of the Bible lead people to believe that the good book was telling us that Earth was imobile and in the center of the universe, much to Gallileo's shagrin. Bit by bit parts of the Bible have gone from rock solid fact to allegory or representative story telling. It's high time, I think, that human kind relegate the whole book to the relm of myth and no longer look at it for any sort of real life guidance. Native Americans once believed in a rain God, they know better now. When will the western world put the Bible and it's God aside? You'd think we'd know better ourselves.
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I'm a useless Apostate :(
by NewbieGirl ini've been lurking here for a while now, posted a handful of times, but this board has had a profound effect on me.. i have just finished reading coc which i would never have even heard of if it wasn't for this board.. anyway, in light of everything i have learned here, i have been waiting expectantly for the next unsuspecting jw's to knock on my door, just so i can er, 'enlighten' them.. about 15 minutes ago, just that happened.
i answered a knock on my door to be confronted by two jw's.
one of them i remembered vaguely from a neighboring cong, and the other was someone i knew pretty well from my old cong.. so what did i do?
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Newbie Girl, you certainly did miss out on a perfect opportunity to anti-witness. But do not feel bad about it. Many of the friends have not even read the COC book and would be unprepaired if the opportunity to anti-witness came up. There are those who do the good work of throwing away the Watchtower and Afake magazines at coin-op laundry facilities and in the lobbies of businesses. But we need to ask ourselves, is this "passive" anti-witnessing really doing all we can to save those who may fall into the arms of the JWs? Are we putting forth the proper effort in our anti-witnessing activities? How many more innocent people could we help in avoiding the stumbling block of the Kingdom Hall if we took a more active role? Perhaps bringing the subject up ourselves at the water cooler at work or with a group of new friends. We must always be alert for any opportunity to anti-witness and we must keep diligent in this good work.
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Thoughts?
by Adam inthere are those who have left the jws and become athiest/agnostic/skeptic.
some would say those people have had their faith in god so shaken by the corrupt, man-made religion of jws that they have fallen into confusion and need to be shown the "right" way.. then there are those who have left the jws and found another version of christianity they feel is the proper way to worship the god of the bible.
some would say that those people have only swapped one religion for another and have failed to realize the greater truth that there is no god or that you can't know for sure which religion is correct.. i'd like to hear who people think is right and why.. and the more important question:.
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The path I took was only slightly different from yours. I always had nagging questions but simply let them slide thinking "these guys have done their homework and there is a logical, provable explanation for what they're saying. I'll take their word for it." But while studying the Revelation Book I had my own revelation. I kept asking myself "how the hell can they KNOW that the harlot means this, or that the multiple heads of the dragons represent that." There was simply too many claims being made without enough backing behind them. Finally I faced the fact that THESE PEOPLE REALLY DON'T KNOW! How could they for sure? Then it snowballed. And if they don't know, then how do the Mormons or the Muslums know? How do we know that the Bible came from God? How do we know that there even IS a God? The only proof I could get from anyone was "we have the guidance of God, so we know we're right" or "you just must have faith" or "in my heart I just know" or something along those lines. I wasn't about buy that crap, not any more and not from anyone else. Now I am ardently agnostic. My mantra is "I don't know AND YOU DON'T EITHER!" Should I one day get proof of a God and proof that what someone is teaching is in line with what this God (or Gods) want, I will happily throw my whole being into the service of this being. But it had better be PROOF and it had better be rock solid. Otherwise live and let live. Don't try and convert me and I won't laugh you into next week.Larc:
You know, me and Eve were never "legaly" married. But when that damn common law wife thing was put into law, the bitch split. Can you immagine over 4,000 years of interest? She took all the picures of the kids and our records too so I can't help ya, sorry. -
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by Adam inthere are those who have left the jws and become athiest/agnostic/skeptic.
some would say those people have had their faith in god so shaken by the corrupt, man-made religion of jws that they have fallen into confusion and need to be shown the "right" way.. then there are those who have left the jws and found another version of christianity they feel is the proper way to worship the god of the bible.
some would say that those people have only swapped one religion for another and have failed to realize the greater truth that there is no god or that you can't know for sure which religion is correct.. i'd like to hear who people think is right and why.. and the more important question:.
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There are those who have left the JWs and become athiest/agnostic/skeptic. Some would say those people have had their faith in God so shaken by the corrupt, man-made religion of JWs that they have fallen into confusion and need to be shown the "right" way.
Then there are those who have left the JWs and found another version of Christianity they feel is the proper way to worship the God of the Bible. Some would say that those people have only swapped one religion for another and have failed to realize the greater truth that there is no God or that you can't know for sure which religion is correct.
I'd like to hear who people think is right and why.
And the more important question:
How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck would chuck wood?