Posts by helpmeout

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A conversation with my dad

by magotan in

i talked to my dad today, after i text him when i was angry after a night out.

i'm starting to get closure on my parents relationship with regards to me.the dynamic between them versus me is abusive.

my dad didn't think i had any reason to be bitter.he said i chose to leave "jehovahs people" and this is what i should expect as treatment.

Shunning is emotional blackmail. There is no other way around it. It is not scriptural. Men have twisted scripture to make a system to control others. Would a God of love really intend to introduce this much misery into the lives people? This one teaching alone convinces me that jw's are not God's voice to humanity. Unfortunately, for those of us who are born in or long time members, the trap has been set and it is not an easy thing to extricate oneself. I have a wife and 16 year old daughter. My wife struggles with the idea that this is not the "TRUTH". My daughter has flat out rejected the cult. My wife and I can see that she is blossoming as a normal young woman with her caring friends who give her unconditional love and support.

Your father may one day come to the realization that he is in a mind controlled cult. In the meantime, live your life as best you can. Try to avoid bitterness that will not help you or your trapped family. A happy life, well lived, is the best way to combat the abusive behaviour of this mind numbing, manmade system of control.

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Specific Comments By R&F About May Broadcast

by freemindfade in

i know there are many posts discussing the may money requesting televangalism...er... broadcast i mean!

but i wanted to start one where anyone can put what they have heard any non-exjw, non-apostate witnesses say good or bad about the broadcast.

i don't see how it can't rattle followers... but then again i might be surprised how they can twist things (2+2=5).

helpmeout

My dear wife, who does not like to be critical or listen to any negative comments, has refused to watch any of the tv broadcasts. She feels that Jehovah is not going to require people to have the internet in order to be found worthy of life. We are on a metered internet connection. She prefers to play a few of her favourite games rather than waste precious data on watching tv. When I mentioned the May broadcast to her and encouraged her to watch it, she said that she is not interested. She does not have any money to donate so it is not of any concern to her. I think that her feelings are mirrored my many many jws. While most jws are uncomfortable expressing their doubts and concerns; money talks. The one thing a doubting jw can do is to stop donating. This will speak volumes.

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Just Want To Be Heard

by dubstepped in

i've been lurking here for a while now, and i guess you could call me a fader.

i don't have hate in my heart for the organization that i spent most of my life in, but i have had an awakening.

luckily, so has my wife, and that way i don't feel so alone.

helpmeout

Beautiful thoughts. Well expressed! Thank you.

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The Watchtower logically prefers everyone that knows TTATT to disfellowship themselves

by enigma1863 in

every active jw that stays in hiding their knowledge about ttatt is a hole in the watchtower wall.

i propose those who can stay in, should, especially if they have high positions.

how else can we know what they are up to?

helpmeout

FreeMindFade :I think this is a new era for that, I remember when I would have doubts in the past when I was in and doing as well as I could, it would be presented to me that if I didn't think it was gods org I should leave, suggesting that I shouldn't let them hold me back from being an immoral person.

I agree with this statement. My wife says this to me all the time. But I insist that it is my decision if and when I leave. I will not be bullied into staying nor will I be bullied into leaving. No one should judge another on this because we all have our own set of circumstances. We are all victims and we need to take our time and decide what is best for us individually. Right now, I choose to stay and watch. My wife and mother and other family members are all in. I need to take my time and understand the dynamics involved and the consequences of any actions that I take. I feel more in control of my life than I ever have before. Knowing TTATT is freedom even if we choose to keep the cage door shut for the time being.

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21 Years as an Elder, 5 as an MS, I will never be that guy again.

by James Jack in

i was deleted as the cobe after i let my adult child move back home and he admitted that he fornicated under my roof while my wife and i where away on a rbc project.

of course the elder mode in me kicked him out of the house.. the elders moved quickly to remove me because i was too involved in "theocractic activities", i had neglected my adult son.. i accepted this primarily because i didn't want to serve with a boe that did not want me.

i was devastated however because it was the only life i knew.

helpmeout

Thanks for posting your story and welcome. I served as a ms and elder for many years. Also regular pioneered and did all the other JW things including living a life full of guilt and fear. I am still in but am mentally out. My wife is not a hard liner but refuses to come out of her comfort zone and confront any issues with the org. My 15 year old daughter is not baptized and has no intention of accepting things that do not make sense to her. Our congregation is heavily influenced by a few sanctimonious pioneer elders who have created an atmosphere of judgement. My long time JW mother has even commented on this. The internet has made it very difficult for the org to conceal half truths and lies. It is no longer possible to isolate people and have them feel that they are the problem when so many sincere people have observed and commented on the same organizational problems. I am thankful for your comments and the comments of many on this site.

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No Natural Affection

by Sail Away in

do you remember how the wt society likes to quote the scriptures that say "the love of the greater number will cool off" in "the last days" and men will have "no natural affection"?

they applied this to "worldly people".

even before my exit i, used to think that scripture applied to members of the "christian congregation" too.. i haven't written to my jw mil in about a year and a half.

helpmeout

I truly feel that JWs are living proof of "no natural affection." They teach conditional love. They condition followers to cut off others. A truly indoctrinated JW will not form bonds of love with any friend or family member. They must be ready to cut off any relationship. This is a very destructive cult.

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What is the main reason the Watchtower Society baptize their children so young?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

jesus was thirty was he was baptized.

today, you hear of young children getting baptized as young as 10 years old.

the parents, family and congregation think it's a wonderful idea that someone dedicates their life to jehovah at such a young age.

helpmeout

freemindfade: I agree 100% This did not quite hit home to me until this past summer when my 15 daughter who has been an unbaptized publisher for several years was seen holding hands with a "worldly" boy. An elder attempted to undermine my parental authority. It suddenly struck me how much power he would hold if my daughter was baptized. They would take the matter completely out of my hands and make it a congregational affair. I can only imagine the irreparable damage done to so many individuals and families using this unscriptural authority.

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What is the main reason the Watchtower Society baptize their children so young?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

jesus was thirty was he was baptized.

today, you hear of young children getting baptized as young as 10 years old.

the parents, family and congregation think it's a wonderful idea that someone dedicates their life to jehovah at such a young age.

helpmeout

It is a total control thing. Simple as that. My 15 year old daughter is not baptized. It annoys the crap out of the elders in the congregation that they have no control. They want to be able to usurp the authority of parents. This is a very destructive cult.

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JW TV is the reason for the hysteria in the KH

by campaign of hate in

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if you, like me, have noticed the sudden increase in hysteria in the khs right now, i put it down to that jw tv site.

its's far more extensive than i thought it was, i thought it was just 1, 1 hour program a month.

there's a s*** load of videos on that site.. and the real problem, from just watching a clip from each video, is that these guys are clearly "mentally unstable".

helpmeout

Remember when the Sunday public talk speaker didn't show up and we just had the Watchtower study and got out early? Well, that is a thing of the past now that they can just whip on a JW TV video. Sad really.

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Phases of Mental Extraction

by freemindfade in

in only the short time i have been no longer lurking but also posting, i have discovered some people with situations and reactions very similar to mine.

i guess there are different ways people get out, some do something and are outright shunned, then they may find ttatt and stay out.

but there may be more and more like me, who are 100% mentally out, but for the reason of not losing spouse and family fade.

helpmeout

Flipper: Your comments hit home to me. I remember even as a kid, when I would get a new toy, I would have this terrible feeling of anxiety that I might not get to enjoy playing with it before Armageddon arrived. It seems silly as an adult but I truly believe that this religion is very destructive on young minds.